Tension between Russia and USA

mapuc · 10-12-16, 12:31 PM

After have read this article and more about this tension between these two, I thought that this is should have its own thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lobal-war.html

Quote:

Russia is ordering all of its officials to fly home any relatives living abroad amid heightened tensions over the prospect of global war, it has been claimed.

I hope they will find a diplomatic solution, so this doesn't turn into a real crisis.

If it turn into a crisis-please change headlines to crisis instead of tension

Markus

Catfish · 10-12-16, 01:07 PM

The tension has risen since 1995, when it became clear that the NATO would not stay out of former soviet block countries - violating treaties that b.t.w. were prepositions for the unification of Germany.

Russia and especially Putin are no angels, but what we/the West/the Good do is almost ridiculous. You really must be a whole-hearted atlanticist to believe what the media tell you in Germany.
The latter is no wonder, almost all media anchormen and politicians are members of that club here.
I guess it really makes sense to have trade and treaties over a 3000-mile ocean rather than to come to grips with nearby Russia.

Oberon · 10-12-16, 01:14 PM

It won't amount to anything, and if it does then it'll fix our problems the old fashioned way.

Bilge_Rat · 10-12-16, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Russia Reads US Bluster as Sign of War

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/10/1...s-sign-of-war/

as usual our politicians are totally clueless to how close we are to midnight...

eddie · 10-12-16, 02:22 PM

Looks like they are going to sit down and have a chat finally.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...eze/ar-AAiRFCT

Skybird · 10-12-16, 02:26 PM

Once tensions feel like in autumn 1983 again, I will agree to be concerned again.

In that autumn, I was 16 back then, the world escaped global nuclear war TWICE by just a hairbreadth. Not before many years later most of us who already were living back then learned how close our encounter with armageddon was in those weeks. First a malfunctioning Sovjet satellite reporting an American missile launch, and then, just a few weeks later after that was resolved by a Russian Lieutenant-Colonel, a misinterpretation by the Sovjets of NATO exercise Able Archer, leading to Sovjet nuclear bombers armed with live nuclear bombs and standing with running engines on the runways, and German cities being 10 minutes away from annihilation.

Compared to that autumn's secret events, what there is today in tensions is relatively boring.

It is events like these two almost-desasters that make me so extrenely pessimistic about our chances to get away with another nuclear arms race in the religiously upheated and highly irrational ME. Compared to that outlook, I prefer to get the Sovjets back. Different to some rleigous idiots in the ME, the Sowjets never wanted to commit suicide for nothing.

mapuc · 10-12-16, 02:29 PM

Not so long ago an expert on Russian poltics said the West had lost its momentum in foreign politics in both Syria and before that in Ukraine. This expert said the blame was on Obama he is a very weak President regarding foreign politics

Then something about a political vacuum that Putin have exploited to the full.

Markus

Oberon · 10-12-16, 03:00 PM

It's always Obamas fault, that's rule number one.

You see, if you get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for trying to drag the US into another war, but if you don't get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for being weak.

Just launch the damn nukes and get it over with already.

Onkel Neal · 10-12-16, 03:13 PM

Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war

Quote:

Americans should vote for Donald Trump as president next month or risk being dragged into a nuclear war, according to a Russian ultra-nationalist ally of President Vladimir Putin who likes to compare himself to the U.S. Republican candidate.

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, a flamboyant veteran lawmaker known for his fiery rhetoric, told Reuters in an interview that Trump was the only person able to de-escalate dangerous tensions between Moscow and Washington.

By contrast, Trump's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton could spark World War Three, said Zhirinovsky, who received a top state award from Putin after his pro-Kremlin Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) came third in Russia's parliamentary election last month.

Many Russians regard Zhirinovsky as a clownish figure who makes outspoken statements to grab attention but he is also widely viewed as a faithful servant of Kremlin policy, sometimes used to float radical opinions to test public reaction.

Clownish, yet... alive and prospering in Putin's Russia.

mapuc · 10-12-16, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

It's always Obamas fault, that's rule number one.

You see, if you get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for trying to drag the US into another war, but if you don't get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for being weak.

Just launch the damn nukes and get it over with already.

Ain't that the common rule-always blame it on the President of US.

He also said or he toke an example where Obama had drawn a red line and if Assad crossed this then all hell would come upon Assad-Assad has crossed this line several times and nothing have happened and this such be one of the factor that Putin knows we in the west are weak.
We have it in our mouth, as he said.

Markus

10-12-16, 01:07 PM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The tension has risen since 1995, when it became clear that the NATO would not stay out of former soviet block countries - violating treaties that b.t.w. were prepositions for the unification of Germany. Russia and especially Putin are no angels, but what we/the West/the Good do is almost ridiculous. You really must be a whole-hearted atlanticist to believe what the media tell you in Germany. The latter is no wonder, almost all media anchormen and politicians are members of that club here. I guess it really makes sense to have trade and treaties over a 3000-mile ocean rather than to come to grips with nearby Russia. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

10-12-16, 02:22 PM	#5
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Looks like they are going to sit down and have a chat finally. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...eze/ar-AAiRFCT __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

10-12-16, 02:26 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,624 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Once tensions feel like in autumn 1983 again, I will agree to be concerned again. In that autumn, I was 16 back then, the world escaped global nuclear war TWICE by just a hairbreadth. Not before many years later most of us who already were living back then learned how close our encounter with armageddon was in those weeks. First a malfunctioning Sovjet satellite reporting an American missile launch, and then, just a few weeks later after that was resolved by a Russian Lieutenant-Colonel, a misinterpretation by the Sovjets of NATO exercise Able Archer, leading to Sovjet nuclear bombers armed with live nuclear bombs and standing with running engines on the runways, and German cities being 10 minutes away from annihilation. Compared to that autumn's secret events, what there is today in tensions is relatively boring. It is events like these two almost-desasters that make me so extrenely pessimistic about our chances to get away with another nuclear arms race in the religiously upheated and highly irrational ME. Compared to that outlook, I prefer to get the Sovjets back. Different to some rleigous idiots in the ME, the Sowjets never wanted to commit suicide for nothing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-12-16, 01:14 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It won't amount to anything, and if it does then it'll fix our problems the old fashioned way.

10-12-16, 02:29 PM	#7
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Not so long ago an expert on Russian poltics said the West had lost its momentum in foreign politics in both Syria and before that in Ukraine. This expert said the blame was on Obama he is a very weak President regarding foreign politics Then something about a political vacuum that Putin have exploited to the full. Markus

10-12-16, 03:00 PM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's always Obamas fault, that's rule number one. You see, if you get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for trying to drag the US into another war, but if you don't get involved in Middle Eastern events then you get lambasted for being weak. Just launch the damn nukes and get it over with already.