Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Haha, the weather guys were right. We now have snow in Gulf Coast Texas, in very early December. Third time in 5 years.

Believe whatever they tells ya, that's fine, but you need to call it something else, "global warming" is dead.

Could be caused by the sun:

There appears to be an emerging Cycle 23 spot
at the left, but still no new Cycle 24 spots. Click for large image
That’s never a good sign. Below is an excerpt from an article in Science Daily that ponders the question:

Excerpt: The sun has been laying low for the past couple of years, producing no sunspots and giving a break to satellites. That’s good news for people who scramble when space weather interferes with their technology, but it became a point of discussion for the scientists who attended an international solar conference at Montana State University. Approximately 100 scientists from Europe, Asia, Latin America, Africa and North America gathered June 1-6 to talk about “Solar Variability, Earth’s Climate and the Space Environment.”
The scientists said periods of inactivity are normal for the sun, but this period has gone on longer than usual. “It continues to be dead,” said Saku Tsuneta with the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan, program manager for the Hinode solar mission. […] The last cycle reached its peak in 2001 and is believed to be just ending now, Longcope said. The next cycle is just beginning and is expected to reach its peak sometime around 2012. Today’s sun, however, is as inactive as it was two years ago, and scientists aren’t sure why. “It’s a dead face,” Tsuneta said of the sun’s appearance.
Tsuneta said solar physicists aren’t like weather forecasters; They can’t predict the future. They do have the ability to observe, however, and they have observed a longer-than-normal period of solar inactivity. In the past, they observed that the sun once went 50 years without producing sunspots. That period, from approximately 1650 to 1700, occurred during the middle of a little ice age on Earth that lasted from as early as the mid-15th century to as late as the mid-19th century.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/06/1...es-to-be-dead/

[Onkel Neal]

Ho ho ho! Had to cover my Tabasco pepper plant!

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

And it is +5 C in Estonia in early December. Looking at one area and making claims about global climate is a bit dim.



Well it better describes what is going on, but most issues like this get striped down to catchprases that do not actually represent the problem at hand.

I think the whole concept is a bit dim

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Is that odd to you? As a kid I do not remember seeing them off the coast of MD. The past few years I have. Now when I mean kid that was over 25 years ago or more.

In my youth I spent alot of time sailing up and down the east coast and gulf with trips to the carribian. About 20 years ago.

One thing that was consistant in nearly all ports of call were the effing poop laden Pelicans. They could make a real mess of things in the matter of an hour or two. Their poop was slimey sticky and dried to the consistancy of plaster. They would foul the rigging and sometimes the radio gear. It was a pita to get up in the rigging to clean it up.

We would carry slingshots and chase em off

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Haha, the weather guys were right. We now have snow in Gulf Coast Texas, in very early December. Third time in 5 years.

Believe whatever they tells ya, that's fine, but you need to call it something else, "global warming" is dead.

That actually doesn't disprove global warming, as a known side effect of changing temperatures is the altering of ocean and air currents, and weather patterns, which accounts for stuff such as snow in places where it doesn't normally snow. It also explains the rather sudden increase in the number and strength of severe storms, tornadoes, and hurricanes in the last several years.

Further, if we are in fact really in a global cooling cycle, why have we been loosing massive amounts of ice in both poles, and in glaciers across the globe? If the earth is getting cooler we should be gaining ice not loosing it, right?

Lastly I just love how this issue has become an issue of politics and not science. We should also probably look at who is making lots of money from blowing totally out of proportion the hacked emails. It is certainly in the best interests of the windbags on radio and TV to make as much as they possibly can out of it for their own gain. I find it especially ironic when they even start totally misquoting the emails they use as evidence of a conspiracy.

PS thanks for that video link antikristuseke that pretty much sums up my thoughts on the situation.

[Skybird]

Over here, the weather guys said we have had the warmest Novembre since VERY long time. Two weeks ago I was bicycling in a T-Shirt. If you wonder whether or not that is unsual in northern germany, then be told: yes, it is. It ahs also been the first nomvembre in all my life where did not turn on heating for even just a day. Until some years ago, I started heating in late Septembre. On most days this Novembre, I had the door to the balcony open, as long as it did not rain (it rained a lot).

Now what? Is Northrhine Westphalia - or the coast of Texas the navel of the Earth?

And how compoares a micro-wetaher cycle over 11 years with a general trends in climate shifts? They way some of you argue - for ideologic, not for scientific reasons! - compares to taking the weather of one day and by that conclude on the mean weather values for all the year.

And despite that absence in reasonable standards you guys dare to criticise sciences - which you can only do by massively ignorring anything you do not not want to hear and see in explanation - whether it be regarding climate chnage and global wamring, or regarding those emails...???

You must be kidding.

[SteamWake]

I know this may come as a shock to some of you but...

The weather does change...

day to day, week to week, month to month, season to season, year after year, decade after decade, millenium after millenium.

It has done so since the earth was formed and will do so untill it is destroyed.

I just find it hard to beleve that on the scale of things mankind could actually influence the weather on a global scale.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Over here, the weather guys said we have had the warmest Novembre since VERY long time. Two weeks ago I was bicycling in a T-Shirt. If you wonder whether or not that is unsual in northern germany, then be told: yes, it is. It ahs also been the first nomvembre in all my life where did not turn on heating for even just a day. Until some years ago, I started heating in late Septembre. On most days this Novembre, I had the door to the balcony open, as long as it did not rain (it rained a lot).

Now what? Is Northrhine Westphalia - or the coast of Texas the navel of the Earth?

And how compoares a micro-wetaher cycle over 11 years with a general trends in climate shifts? They way some of you argue - for ideologic, not for scientific reasons! - compares to taking the weather of one day and by that conclude on the mean weather values for all the year.

And despite that absence in reasonable standards you guys dare to criticise sciences - which you can only do by massively ignorring anything you do not not want to hear and see in explanation - whether it be regarding climate chnage and global wamring, or regarding those emails...???

You must be kidding.

Like I have said many times before on this subject, I neither believe nor dis-believe global climate change. I am inclined to disbelieve it is significantly man-made, but still, I only know what I read in the papers and hear on TV from "experts". You are in the same boat, you only know what you are told. Please don't tell me about your many years of exhausting meterological research in your spare time

[AVGWarhawk]

I do believe man contributes to climate change. I do not believe how much of what man does affecting the climate can be calculated on any scale. I do believe the scienctists do not understand some of the things the earth does and many other phenominon that must be factor in but can't because the lack of understanding. But, we are going to hang our hat on Al Gore, retired VP and carbon credit salesman? No, the emails are an inconvienent truth that Al is all about Al and nothing more.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Like I have said many times before on this subject, I neither believe nor dis-believe global climate change. I am inclined to disbelieve it is significantly man-made, but still, I only know what I read in the papers and hear on TV from "experts". You are in the same boat, you only know what you are told. Please don't tell me about your many years of exhausting meterological research in your spare time

I must not. I only tell about you the changes in weather I already have seen over the span of my life so far. That alone already would be sufficient to make me think. Doing a little bit of additional reading every once in a while, certainly helps, though.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I do believe man contributes to climate change. I do not believe how much of what man does affecting the climate can be calculated on any scale. I do believe the scienctists do not understand some of the things the earth does and many other phenominon that must be factor in but can't because the lack of understanding. But, we are going to hang our hat on Al Gore, retired VP and carbon credit salesman? No, the emails are an inconvienent truth that Al is all about Al and nothing more.

I wonder why you and some others so often must refer to Al Gore to make your points. Have you ever noted that I never do, and many others and scientists as well mostly never need to do that as well? He is a media phenomenon. He skims on the surface of the problem, for his own benefit or not, but in the end he simply is not important, he is not the cause of the porblem, and he is not the one solving it. At worst he is just an opportunist.

Like almost every politician.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ho ho ho! Had to cover my Tabasco pepper plant!






I think the whole concept is a bit dim

Heh Brace yourself !!!

Houston this morning broke a record with the earliest snowfall ever recorded in the city's history.
Forecasters are still hedging their bets on the amount, but say the most likely scenario is 1 to 2 inches of widespread snowfall through the day. Some areas could get up to a half a foot.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl//6750042.html

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I just find it hard to beleve that on the scale of things mankind could actually influence the weather on a global scale.

And the boundaries of your imignation define the limits of possible realities...?

If my imagination would be the decisive variable, then I would be the master of the solar system by now, I would rule over the world the way I see fit and you all would better believe in me and do as i tell you. If you pardon my fantasy.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I wonder why you and some others so often must refer to Al Gore to make your points. Have you ever noted that I never do, and many others and scientists as well mostly never need to do that as well? He is a media phenomenon. He skims on the surface of the problem, for his own benefit or not, but in the end he simply is not important, he is not the cause of the porblem, and he is not the one solving it. At worst he is just an opportunist.

Like almost every politician.

Unfortunate, Al is the front man, stuffed shirt and entirely self indulgent. Since he is the front man on this who else would you like anyone to refer to concerning global matters?

[NeonSamurai]

Refer to the science maybe rather than spokesidiots? Just a thought

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

And it is +5 C in Estonia in early December

Same here. We had abit of snow few weeks back but then it got warmer and now we've been getting rainshowers.. in fricking December!