Alfa Tau 3.1 - Page 12

goldorak · 11-19-08, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

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Originally Posted by MBot

I have a hard time to imagine that any military would download a (imperfect) mod.

Not to mention that if the military wanted to violate their contracts and create their own platforms, I'm quite sure they could do that without any help from modders.

PD

If the license of the software they are using forbids modding you can bet they won't do it.
I don't understand why people don't get it. Modding for personal use while (sometimes) illegal doesn't have the same kind of implications that arise in a business environment.
You don't hear the Us Navy using cracked/pirated/illegal modded software do you ?

Raptor_341 · 11-19-08, 05:08 AM

>> lets just put an ADCAP in this one and let it lie. We are all here to use and talk about RA anyways.

goldorak · 11-19-08, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor_341

>> lets just put an ADCAP in this one and let it lie. We are all here to use and talk about RA anyways.

Myself I'd prefer a couple of stallions. Rapid and deadly right on target.

Back to topic : when is the definitive version of RA coming out ?

MBot · 11-19-08, 05:37 AM

The waterfall display for the Gepard looks spectacular. I think this will boost my desire to play it tenfold. I always hated the SSAZ broadband display, this thing only displays cargo ships anyway. With the waterfall you can pick up contacts in the history very soon after you get them on NB. Situation awareness is so much better.

A shame that it is only for the Gepard and not also the othe Akulas. But from what people say this is correct. Strange that the soviets didn't go for waterfall displays earlier, as far as I know already the Skat sonar of the Victor III was digital. But perhaps they didn't have the processing power.

suBB · 11-19-08, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor_341

>> lets just put an ADCAP in this one and let it lie. We are all here to use and talk about RA anyways.

conn, sonar: explosion on Master 1.... lost the wire... tube 1...

Castout · 11-19-08, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor_341

>> lets just put an ADCAP in this one and let it lie. We are all here to use and talk about RA anyways.

Not forgetting Alfa Tau too of course the thread's title is Alfa Tau 3.1. I'm afraid it's been veering off topic but I guess this is a DWX mods thread for both Alfa Tau and RA. I hope those who like Alfa Tau don' mind sharing this thread with its Russian counterpart

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Perhaps a new thread could be started after the upcoming release of the updated RA.
Until then let's use the existing thread.

goldorak · 11-19-08, 07:38 AM

The only thing that is missing from RA are diesel electric subs.
Type 209 and Type 212. In this respect Alfa Tau is still superior.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 11-19-08, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MBot

Unless I am completly mistaken, the principle of RAPLOC is not that new. They already had that in the 60s with the PUFFS system.

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Checks the net version of Norman Friedman's Naval Weapons System ...

You are right, but PUFFs was only so successful they installed it onto a single test sub according to Friedman - no operational attack sub ever got it. The upgraded "MicroPUFF" only went onto the Upholders.

Hitman · 11-19-08, 08:31 AM

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The waterfall display for the Gepard looks spectacular. I think this will boost my desire to play it tenfold. I always hated the SSAZ broadband display, this thing only displays cargo ships anyway. With the waterfall you can pick up contacts in the history very soon after you get them on NB. Situation awareness is so much better.

A shame that it is only for the Gepard and not also the othe Akulas. But from what people say this is correct. Strange that the soviets didn't go for waterfall displays earlier, as far as I know already the Skat sonar of the Victor III was digital. But perhaps they didn't have the processing power.

All interfaces are interchangeable except: 1) Main nav station from diesel to nuke and viceversa, 2) Weapon stations, due to differences in tubes.

I did long ago an Akula with waterfall displays simply by copying over the proper files from the Seawolf or 688i over to the Akula folder and overwriting the Akula ones. You can also do the same for the Kilo, change colours of numbers manually editing a text file, and also change readout from feet to metres and back. No hexediting or messing around with dlls needed

I also gave the Kilo the Akula scope, with LLTV camera with no problem.

The only thing you can't do is give the Kilo (Or any other diesel) a towed array, as there is no button in the diesel main nav & control interface to stream it.

MBot · 11-19-08, 08:31 AM

Thats strange, I remember having seen pics of a couple of subs that had PUFFS fins (at least one of the old diesels and the Tulibee SSN). It is also mentioned here (http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08593a.htm) to be installed on the Permit, now without fins. The way I remeber it, it was continuously developed and ended up as WAA on the Virginia. But to be honest, I can't find any good history on PUFFS at the moment and don't remember where I have that from.

XabbaRus · 11-19-08, 08:55 AM

OK about the legality thig.

It was something I threw up a couple of years ago with aaken and GrayOwl.

This is the SCS stance.

1. You can add new non playable units, new 3d models and alter the texture maps.
2. You can alter the database to adjust parameters. You have to do that for 1 anyway.
3. You CANNOT add new playable platforms that require the hacking of the exe and dlls so that the new playable units are UNIQUELY playable, ie it is an addition to the stock playable units. The only way to add a new playable is to hack the exe and dlls, as evidently has been done. There is a way to have a new playbel but it is at the expense of an existing playable. This can be done as it is a dbase hack.

I'm locking this thread for the time being till I find out from Neal what the subsim policy is on this. Any new threads will be locked.

Sorry for being a PITA, I just don't want SCS to bust subsim.com

Onkel Neal · 11-19-08, 04:12 PM

I'll make a request to Sonalysts to see if they will allow this. It sounds pretty good, and could inject new life into Dangerous Waters, especially with the sim no longer being actively upgraded. I will let you know what I learn.

Neal
Subsim

Onkel Neal · 12-02-08, 11:23 PM

Thread cleared, thanks for your understanding. If anything changes, I'll let you know. Enjoy!

Neal
Subsim

Molon Labe · 12-03-08, 12:33 AM

Does "thread cleared" mean they're allowing distribution?

goldorak · 12-03-08, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Does "thread cleared" mean they're allowing distribution?

It means we are allowed to discuss about RA and AT3.
Nothing more nothing less.

At least I understand it that way.

11-19-08, 05:08 AM	#167
Raptor_341 Loader Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 89 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	>> lets just put an ADCAP in this one and let it lie. We are all here to use and talk about RA anyways. __________________ MAD MARK, FULL SCALE!

11-19-08, 08:55 AM	#176
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	OK about the legality thig. It was something I threw up a couple of years ago with aaken and GrayOwl. This is the SCS stance. 1. You can add new non playable units, new 3d models and alter the texture maps. 2. You can alter the database to adjust parameters. You have to do that for 1 anyway. 3. You CANNOT add new playable platforms that require the hacking of the exe and dlls so that the new playable units are UNIQUELY playable, ie it is an addition to the stock playable units. The only way to add a new playable is to hack the exe and dlls, as evidently has been done. There is a way to have a new playbel but it is at the expense of an existing playable. This can be done as it is a dbase hack. I'm locking this thread for the time being till I find out from Neal what the subsim policy is on this. Any new threads will be locked. Sorry for being a PITA, I just don't want SCS to bust subsim.com __________________

11-19-08, 04:12 PM	#177
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I'll make a request to Sonalysts to see if they will allow this. It sounds pretty good, and could inject new life into Dangerous Waters, especially with the sim no longer being actively upgraded. I will let you know what I learn. Neal Subsim __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

12-02-08, 11:23 PM	#178
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Thread cleared, thanks for your understanding. If anything changes, I'll let you know. Enjoy! Neal Subsim __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

12-03-08, 12:33 AM	#179
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Does "thread cleared" mean they're allowing distribution? __________________

11-19-08, 05:37 AM	#169
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	The waterfall display for the Gepard looks spectacular. I think this will boost my desire to play it tenfold. I always hated the SSAZ broadband display, this thing only displays cargo ships anyway. With the waterfall you can pick up contacts in the history very soon after you get them on NB. Situation awareness is so much better. A shame that it is only for the Gepard and not also the othe Akulas. But from what people say this is correct. Strange that the soviets didn't go for waterfall displays earlier, as far as I know already the Skat sonar of the Victor III was digital. But perhaps they didn't have the processing power.

11-19-08, 07:38 AM	#172
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The only thing that is missing from RA are diesel electric subs. Type 209 and Type 212. In this respect Alfa Tau is still superior.

11-19-08, 08:31 AM	#175
MBot Loader Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 90 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Thats strange, I remember having seen pics of a couple of subs that had PUFFS fins (at least one of the old diesels and the Tulibee SSN). It is also mentioned here (http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08593a.htm) to be installed on the Permit, now without fins. The way I remeber it, it was continuously developed and ended up as WAA on the Virginia. But to be honest, I can't find any good history on PUFFS at the moment and don't remember where I have that from.