Cold-War Era SH5

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by DS

I would be most interested in early the cold war period. The SH series has covered 1939-1945, and the Sonalysts subsims have covered ~1985-2007. There is a gap that covers perhaps the most interesting period of submarine development, employment, and tension.

Silent Hunter - Cold Warriors - 1950-1980

would ROCK!

Actually, SC & DW covered the very late 90s and up.

I'd be happy with a WW3 in the 80s. Throw in the 60s and 70s - that wouldn't hurt either.

[Caseck]

Hypothetical 1950's era would be great.


Where no Silent Hunter has gone before...

WWIII! Nuclear war at sea...

[rudewarrior]

SH5 back to the Atlantic war, nothing else for me.

Cold war era seems kinda "cold." (Get it?)

Played Sub Command and DW, not my bag o' tricks.

Pacific theatre doesn't really do it for me either.

[Grothesj2]

Originally Posted by The General

Anybody's who's played Red Storm Rising on the C64 knows the potential of such a sim. Trust me, it's gonna be awesome!

Many an hour spent stalking Victors and Krivaks off the Norwiegan coast. Bring it on.

[Miika]

I really would like to play a sim placed in the era 1945-1960, a hypotethical cold war turned hot -scenario. The point is that at that time force projection was still based mainly on numbers, not just quality. The other points are:

-no digital signal processing (analog radar, sonar, ESM etc.)
-this means that using sensors would be much more interesting, although it requires that the sensors should be simulated carefully
-there is lots of data releasable from that period
-homing torpedoes etc. based on electro-mechanic functionality (no fancy stuff, more "playable" that way, accuracy around 20-40%, not 95-100% etc.
-all the elements of modern warfare (although not too many types of missiles) would be present - but not too high-tech
-it would be a gold-mine for scenario designers, although that requires that there should be many playable platforms, and altogether many systems from many countries

Miika

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by rudewarrior

SH5 back to the Atlantic war, nothing else for me.

Cold war era seems kinda "cold." (Get it?)

Played Sub Command and DW, not my bag o' tricks.

Pacific theatre doesn't really do it for me either.

Ack. The last thing I would want to see is yet another uboat sim.

[GerritJ9]

I voted "set in space", though I really meant the idea should be seNt in space. I can think of two better alternatives (well, in my view anyway):

1) WW1 sub sim; at the moment only Schalen des Zorns exists, but it is, from what I have seen, rather limited (not played it yet though). A proper WW1 sub sim should allow play for Royal Navy as well as Kaiserliche Marine (OK, throw in the French Navy and KuK Marine subs). This would, for instance, also make missions penetrating the Dardanelles with a British E-class sub possible, or attacks on German shipping in the Baltic, as well as U-Boot warfare in the North Sea, Mediterranean and Atlantic.

2) Expansion for SH4 to include play for other nations: Japanese, Dutch and British subs (or call the result SH5). The submarine warfare in the Pacific wasn't just the USN.

[peterloo]

No. It will definitely suck if SH5 is in Cold War Era. (even early Cold War)

First, there is no engagements here. Nothing's eyes-candy. Just some recon missions or regular patrols (to prevent enemy intruders) definitely stinks and bores us to hell

Secondly, there isn't any graphical requirment if it is set in Cold War. The only thing you've to know is the way to operate sonar. You won't surface, as it is danagerous to do so. Even a registered hit from a hellfire or general purpose 100kg gravity bomb can send you to the abyssal space in an instant. You don't want to be there, do you?

Finally, there is something that you can play if you love modern / cold war subs - Dangerous waters. I'm sure that those loves enjoys it, while the other "casual" or less "realism-oriented" players like me (I don't use TDC lol. Click & shoot is my habit. Yet I do other stuffs in realistic way) Ubisoft won't spend $$ on those games that never pays off, will they?

If I were the DEV team, I would either make it a World War I German U-boat, with no TDC and all fishs only fires at 90 degree angle, or a World War II one Japanese / British / Soviet / Allied / German boat, given that it has a SDK and many features like mine-laying to please everyone.

[Adriatico]

The General,... just a small comment...

At Subsim homepage: there is clearly, striking visible subtitle (link) to this topic... ( Is this clear in English? )

Every member or visitor interesed in this topic/proposal...is just "one mouse-click away" from discussion or vote...

All the people - who have not visited the topic, i.e. did not pay attention to proposed link, so far... are quite happy with WWII environment... not willing to even read the "cold war" thread...

They (naturally) should belong to the "second and third" voters group of your pole... just a logic assumption.
Nothing more, nothing less...

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If this is not clear English, I'll try with Massai dialect in a next post...

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Ack. The last thing I would want to see is yet another uboat sim.

Disagreed. They still haven't gotten it right since AoTD. SH3 was a step in the right direction, but the lack of wolfpacks, milkcows and proper radio reports are a glaring omission. I want a modern U-boat sim that does it right.

[USS Sea Tiger]

I would love to se a Cold war edition,, skipjacks and all (i.s. 1960's, 70's, and early 80s)

I su much enjoyed the old C64 red storm rising . UBI would have to avoid the major pitfalls of some of the more recent attempts at games of this era, they made them so complex, so full of correct number crunching and all that they made it more of a advanced college study of ASW warfare, and booked learned the fun right out of it.

This is a very common problem with computer games these days, they forgot how to make them somewhat simple and fun.

witht he c64, there was a keyboard overlay (ok so yes, I still have my c64 up and running,, kind of an old pet I can't get rid of) and quickly you could master it.

these others of recent times,, they sit on my shelf,

[Radtgaeb]

While the idea is pretty cool; DW, SC, and 688i have the modern sub thing covered. I'd really like to see SH4 in the Atlantic (with a helluva an AI overload). For some reason, I can't get into the Pacific. I love SH4, don't get me wrong, but it's coming off my computer sometime soon. The AI is just too stupid (maybe historically so), but there's so much more thrill to be found in the cold waters of the North and Central Atlantic. Plus, those fleet boats are too much like staying at the Hilton for me.

[Sub Sailor]

I believe it would work quite well, I see such possibilities, stay with subs, just have a range of platforms and with events in China it could be kept current.
I would believe developers, could have subs for both sides from that era.
I would question if DW was a flop, I am not it's biggest fan I admit, but I play the subs, I have never liked the sonar in DW or SC.

Respectfully,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Disagreed. They still haven't gotten it right since AoTD. SH3 was a step in the right direction, but the lack of wolfpacks, milkcows and proper radio reports are a glaring omission. I want a modern U-boat sim that does it right.

Disagreed. No simulator; not Aces, not 688(i), not Fast Attack, not the original Silent Hunter, has been a model simulation. The perfect sim is unatainable, and it is ridiculous to imply that every historical submarine simulation must be set in the WWII Atlantic theatre. It is time for a change, and that change should not involve uboats. We've had too much of that.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Disagreed. No simulator; not Aces, not 688(i), not Fast Attack, not the original Silent Hunter, has been a model simulation. The perfect sim is unatainable, and it is ridiculous to imply that every historical submarine simulation must be set in the WWII Atlantic theatre. It is time for a change, and that change should not involve uboats. We've had too much of that.

I never implied that every sub sim should be a U-boat sim. I just would like them to get it right. SH4 is a great game and a great sim for folks who love the Pacific war. It has it's bugs, sure, but in my opinion it does an admirable job of modelling the major aspects of the sub war in the Pacific. It gets it right.

While the perfect simulator is unattainable, the things that defined the U-boat war (wolfpacks, Operation Drumbeat Milkcows, and the importance of radio messages and Huff Duff) shouldn't be overlooked in any U-boat sim. All of them were overlooked for the most part in SH3. GWX went a long way in fixing them given the limited tools they had, but they're still not quite right and should have been there from the start and in a more developed fashion. That's what I'd like to see.

But then again, I have a biased opinion as I couldn't care less about Cold War sub operations.