Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine

[Catfish]

I do not really think he is in for an expansion of the rodinya.
He sure has his eyes close to what the NATO does.

Elections are over in the US, we can for now get back to common sense.

[Sbygneus]

The shell landed at school playground in Ukraine killing 2 children. And I am 100% sure who did it. It was done by adults who shell and kill kids by
"mistake" while fighting for "some important reasons".
Let me tell this flat and plain. Both sides's fighters are just bloody MORONS!
God damn them.

[kranz]

the shell wouldn't have killed them if Russia didn't support the separatists. They would have been crushed by now.

And the rest of your post is pretty lolish taking into consideration you're a Pole.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by kranz

the shell wouldn't have killed them if Russia didn't support the separatists. They would have been crushed by now.

And the rest of your post is pretty lolish taking into consideration you're a Pole.

Or if the West didn't support the armed take over of power in the Kiev.

Interesting fact - 2 out of 3 largest parties in the (new) Ukranian parliament are nationalists. I wonder what they have to say about the Poles, if they support the UPA (and thus the crimes UPA commited).

[Sbygneus]

Originally Posted by kranz

the shell wouldn't have killed them if Russia didn't support the separatists. They would have been crushed by now.

And the rest of your post is pretty lolish taking into consideration you're a Pole.

I dont understand you ziomek I just try to be Christian before I am a Pole

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Or if the West didn't support the armed take over of power in the Kiev.

Interesting fact - 2 out of 3 largest parties in the (new) Ukranian parliament are nationalists. I wonder what they have to say about the Poles, if they support the UPA (and thus the crimes UPA commited).

Had some exchange with friends in Ukraine, Kiev government is far right, national or better 'fascist'. The US sent the head of the CIA to support just of all them(?).
– this is what some ordinary people living in Kiev say

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Had some exchange with friends in Ukraine, Kiev government is far right, national or better 'fascist'. The US sent the head of the CIA to support just of all them(?).
– this is what some ordinary people living in Kiev say

That can't be right. It goes against everything the media tells us.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Had some exchange with friends in Ukraine, Kiev government is far right, national or better 'fascist'. The US sent the head of the CIA to support just of all them(?).
– this is what some ordinary people living in Kiev say

Well there was that leaked phone call.....

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sbygneus

The shell landed at school playground in Ukraine killing 2 children. And I am 100% sure who did it. It was done by adults who shell and kill kids by
"mistake" while fighting for "some important reasons".
Let me tell this flat and plain. Both sides's fighters are just bloody MORONS!
God damn them.

Well said.

Nothing more can come from this conflict but misery and death.
Both sides need to just stop now and work with what they have been dealt.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Betonov

That can't be right. It goes against everything our media tell us.

Fixed


@Sbygneus – good post.


@Ikalugin: Which telephone call ?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Fixed

And here's an interesting article.

[MH]

[MH]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Or if the West didn't support the armed take over of power in the Kiev.

Interesting fact - 2 out of 3 largest parties in the (new) Ukranian parliament are nationalists. I wonder what they have to say about the Poles, if they support the UPA (and thus the crimes UPA commited).

Are you sure about it?
From what I hears all kind of nutcase parties did not win enough votes to enter the parliament.
The leading coalition is more or less as nationalist as Russia's current government , it seems natural in given circumstances.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by MH

Are you sure about it?
From what I hears all kind of nutcase parties did not win enough votes to enter the parliament.
The leading coalition is more or less as nationalist as Russia's current government , it seems natural in given circumstances.

Yes. Out of 6 parties you have:
People's Front (nationalists, 64 seats).
Petr Poroshenko Party (liberal conservatives 63 seats).
Self Help Party (Christian democrats 32 seats).
Opposition Block (centrists, 27 seats).
Radical Party (nationalists, 22 seats).
Batkovshina (conservatives, 17 seats).

Ie atleast 40 percent of all seats allocated to party lists are straight nationalists or 33 percent if we account for single mandate seats (but then there are uncounted seats held by the parties that did not get into the parliament by the party lists).

Russian involvement is but one of the reasons why such a parliament was elected - the others are the lack of Crimean voters (who would vote for the left wing or centrists parties), lack of some Eastern Ukraine voters (who would again vote similar to the Crimean voters), lack of participation in the eastern parts of the Ukraine (people are dissatisfied with the current government and parliament, as well as the Maidan due to the war).

You could see the voting paterns here:

[kranz]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Or if the West didn't support the armed take over of power in the Kiev.

proofs or didn't happen.
Somehow I haven't seen any NATO soldiers captured by either the separatists or russians. But I've seen Russian soldiers captured by the Ukrainian army.

Originally Posted by Sbygneus

I dont understand you ziomek I just try to be Christian before I am a Pole

Kappa.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well said.

Nothing more can come from this conflict but misery and death.
Both sides need to just stop now and work with what they have been dealt.

yup, Ukrainians should disarm themselves and give in to Russians.
Selling countries down the river (since 1938) must be in your British blood.