Of cartoons, censorship, and hysteria

[Skybird]

New round? Dealing on equal terms? Or just european queer logic of unlimited tolerance without perceiving qualitative differences anymore?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Now the Danes are asking Teheran if they can reprint holocaust cartoons in the West? Do I get this correctly?

Well, lacking solidity of values in the West may result in such a zig-zagging behavior when beeing seriously challenged.

Shame.

The absurdity of "total tolerance" - the absence of any scales and values and personal identity, that is. Tolerance needs limits.

[Skybird]

Quote:"Apparently Muslim papers are allowed to do what Western papers are not: republish the Muhammad cartoons."

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/792

[Sixpack]

Originally Posted by Skybird

New round? Dealing on equal terms? Or just european queer logic of unlimited tolerance without perceiving qualitative differences anymore?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

Now the Danes are asking Teheran if they can reprint holocaust cartoons in the West? Do I get this correctly?

Well, lacking solidity of values in the West may result in such a zig-zagging behavior when beeing seriously challenged.

Shame.

The absurdity of "total tolerance" - the absence of any scales and values and personal identity, that is. Tolerance needs limits.

Skybird for German and then European Fuehrer ! Sieg Heil !

[tycho102]

The clergy have whipped their Muslims followers up into this frenzy, now, and it seems like they've noticed it's backfiring. So they're trying to reverse course, or at least, all-back full.

People that weren't paying attention to the stealth jihad, now are. The people that were defending the stealth jihad (peace at any price) are having trouble. And the people who want "free speech" are having to weigh that freedom against actual combat to defend said freedom.

And it's completely possible that the Muslims stirred a lot of this up to get Iran's nuclear program off CNN's front page, only to cause another problem which may very well interact with the original problem (nukes).



On top of all this: If Iran prints Holocaust comics, and that sh*t gets reprinted in Europe (where everyone judges " pure evil" against Hitler, and not other barbarians such as the Great Khan, Tarif ibn Malluk, and Stalin), it's libel to cause even more problems.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Quote:"Apparently Muslim papers are allowed to do what Western papers are not: republish the Muhammad cartoons."

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/792

Skybird - good legwork on that one. Of course, this news surprises no one I assume.

-S

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Skybird - good legwork on that one. Of course, this news surprises no one I assume.

-S

You are assuming correct but for the wrong reasons.
Let me explain:

Some people, let’s call them anti-Americanists, have a near-obsession with America. They always look at America and America only. Thus, they seem to have expert knowledge on every aspect of American politics but at the same time they know little or nothing about the politics of their homeland. That is really amazing. They criticise America but they can hardly tell you a anything about how things are handled at home, “somehow better�, of course. One might think, people should sweep in front of their own door first.

The pompous-self-importance of the article that was quoted made me burst out laughing loud.

“Apparently� Muslim papers are allowed what Western papers are not: republish the Mohammed Cartoons.

Well, I don’t know how things are handled in other Western countries, but in Germany there is a so-called “quote function�. You need that when you want to inform others. You can quote e.g. verbal slander as long as you don’t adopt it as your own statement.
Otherwise you would have absurd consequences which have been wonderfully described in Monty Python’s stoning of Mathias in “Life of Brian�:

Matthias is to be stoned to death because he used the forbidden word “Jehova.�
The official warns Matthias to say “Jehova� again.
MRS. A. stones the official for saying “Jehova�.
When Mrs. A defends herself saying, “but you said “Jehova�, the crowd stones Mrs A .

Official: “Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle! Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Jehovah'.

Crowd: Ooooooh!...
[CROWD stones OFFICIAL]

WOMAN #1:
Good shot!
[clap clap clap]


Yea, good shot Brussels journal. LOL.
It seems, we are dealing with a new near-obsession here,
Weitermachen!

[Skybird]

Maybe better luck next time, Dan. Keep on trying.

Meanwhile:
http://www.welt.de/data/2006/02/10/843601.html
http://www.faz.net/s/Rub9DDF988597D9...~Scontent.html

And this is about a very courageous women:
http://www.zeit.de/2006/07/Kelek
http://www.faz.net/s/RubCF3AEB154CE6...~Scontent.html
Quote: "Hirsi Ali nennt sich eine Dissidentin. Sie kennt die andere Seite. Sie wurde als strenggläubige Muslima erzogen und war davon überzeugt, daß es gerechtfertigt sei, Salman Rushdie zum Tode zu verurteilen. „Heute glaube ich das nicht mehr. Ich glaube, daß der Prophet im Unrecht war, als er sich und seine Ideen über kritisches Denken gestellt hat. Ich glaube, daß der Prophet Mohammed unrecht hatte, als er die Frauen den Männern unterordnete. Der Prophet war im Unrecht, als er bestimmte, daß Schwule getötet werden müssen. Der Prophet war im Unrecht, als er gesagt hat, daß Abtrünnige getötet werden müssen. Er war im Unrecht, als er sagte, daß Ehebrecher ausgepeitscht und gesteinigt werden müssen. Und daß man Dieben die Hand abschlagen muß. Er war im Unrecht, als er sagte, daß die, die für Allah sterben, mit dem Eintritt ins Paradies belohnt werden. Er war im Unrecht, als er behauptete, auf seinen Ideen könne man eine gute Gesellschaft aufbauen. Der Prophet hat gute Dinge gesagt und getan. Er hat zur Barmherzigkeit ermutigt. Aber ich möchte die Position verteidigen, daß er auch respektlos und gefühllos denen gegenüber war, die anderer Meinung waren als er.�

[Onkel Neal]

Ha, this made me laugh today

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" -- which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

CALVIN AND HOBBES -- AND MUHAMMAD
By Ann Coulter
Wed Feb 8, 8:16 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/2006020...besandmuhammad


As my regular readers know, I've long been skeptical of the "Religion of Peace" moniker for Muslims -- for at least 3,000 reasons right off the top of my head. I think the evidence is going my way this week.

The culture editor of a newspaper in Denmark suspected writers and cartoonists were engaging in self-censorship when it came to the Religion of Peace. It was subtle things, like a Danish comedian's statement, paraphrased by The New York Times, "that he had no problem urinating on the Bible but that he would not dare do the same to the Quran."

So, after verifying that his life insurance premiums were paid up, the editor expressly requested cartoons of Muhammad from every cartoonist with a Danish cartoon syndicate. Out of 40 cartoonists, only 10 accepted the invitation, most of them submitting utterly neutral drawings with no political content whatsoever.

But three cartoons made political points.

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop -- we ran out of virgins!" -- which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular -- oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.

Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" -- which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad -- though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.

The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad.

But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a "living document," capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will. Muslims ought to start claiming the Quran also prohibits indoor plumbing, to explain their lack of it.

Other interpretations of the Quran forbid images of humans or animals, which makes even a child's coloring book blasphemous. That's why the Taliban blew up those priceless Buddhist statues, bless their innocent, peace-loving little hearts.

Largely unnoticed in this spectacle is the blinding fact that one nation is missing from the long list of Muslim countries (by which I mean France and England) with hundreds of crazy Muslims experiencing bipolar rage over some cartoons: Iraq. Hey -- maybe this democracy thing does work! The barbaric behavior of Europe's Muslims suggests that the European welfare state may not be attracting your top-notch Muslims.

Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.

Catholics aren't short on rules, but they couldn't care less if non-Catholics use birth control. Conservative Jews have no interest in forbidding other people from mixing meat and dairy. Protestants don't make a peep about other people eating food off one another's plates. (Just stay away from our plates -- that's disgusting.)

But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Ha, this made me laugh today

I don't get the laugh or the irony, Neal.

We all know by now that the Jews were behind the Sept. 11 attack.
Arab investigating journalists found out that the Jews were behind the Beslan School Massacre.

I think we better pay close attention to this Arab warning about a 9/11 situation in Europe and keep a close watch on the Jews in Europe.
Who can tell these Arab demonstrators know more then we do..?
Perhaps the Arab intelligence penetrated the Mossad..?

[Skybird]

From the Herald Tribune.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/09/news/danes.php
If I were the Danes, I would not only be embittered, but "stinksauer" with my European "allies". Nice allies, that.

[AG124]

Muslims in India have now joined the protest - apparently the cartoons are an act of terrorism and islam cannot rest until all of its vicious attackers have been punished. They've even got children urinating on flags in fron of international journalists.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060210...a_060210124500

[Skybird]

Nuts. Mad. Crazy. Plem-plem. Balla-balla. Ga-ga. Völlig hinüber. Absolut durchgeknallt. Total uff. Restlos walla-walla.

Ab in die Wüste, Sand schippen!

[STEED]

These Muslims are just a load of bloody hot heads that have nothing else better to do with their lives talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Nuts. Mad. Crazy. Plem-plem. Balla-balla. Ga-ga. Völlig hinüber. Absolut durchgeknallt. Total uff. Restlos walla-walla.
Ab in die Wüste, Sand schippen!

Skybird is quite funny when he gets mad at Muslim extremists!
:rotfl:

[Skybird]

There will come a day when I start loving America fullheartly... VERY GOOD COMMENT by the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020901434.html

(If they ever will love me in return is something different... )