Kind of ironic this happened...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gee, how could 300 years of a system with economic, educational and social aspects rigged in favor of one group have any lingering effects? It doesn't! It all went away overnight. Everyone, black and white, reaped the benefits of their forefathers' abundant wealth and educational opportunities, because you see, the Civil Rights Act was magic! It magically went back in time and undid all the nasty things that happened in the past. That's why the past doesn't matter anymore, you see!

Look, no law, etc can undo the crimes of the past, no one denies the horrible things that happened.However, to say that white people, in today's society have privilege over others, is absurd.Plenty of poor and working or even middle class white people who are just as disadvantaged as black people, it's more about economics than race.People like to use race as a crutch in their arguments, it's crap.Yes, some people of all races are still racist, it's a natural human thing, to fear/dislike etc what is different.However, our society as a whole is not like that now.Institutional racism against non whites is gone but legal against whites(affirmative action) and racism persists in the form of liberal white guilt, thinking any non white needs a leg up to get ahead, not capable of doing so on their merits.That is the most racist thing of all!

I assure you I am enjoying no privilege of wealthy white forefathers etc Really, if I was I would not have had to practically beg for a tuition deferment recently while my parents and I scrape together the money to finishing paying for law school.Non whites have a much easier time getting grants, etc to pay for their education, not even based on merit, simply because they are not white.YEAAA , that is not racist lol. he economy has hurt white people, as it hurt black people, sorry but in today's world there is no white privilege.

Those who have actual privilege in this country, the super wealthy(difference between rich and wealthy) and political "elite" use things such as race to keep us divided and not united.They use economics as well, use propaganda against the "rich" , it really is sad so many people are so simple they can be persuaded by such a lame argument, but it happens.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gee, how could 300 years of a system with economic, educational and social aspects rigged in favor of one group have any lingering effects? It doesn't! It all went away overnight. Everyone, black and white, reaped the benefits of their forefathers' abundant wealth and educational opportunities, because you see, the Civil Rights Act was magic! It magically went back in time and undid all the nasty things that happened in the past. That's why the past doesn't matter anymore, you see!

Well, govt sure hasn't solved the problems with all it's social programs. The black family was a fairly strong unit before govt took over, now look at it....We certainly needed more laws, but govt never knows when to stop.....and liberals are calling for more of the same....spread the wealth hasn't worked.

[Bubblehead1980]

I really would love to feel unity with people of all races, cultures etc in this country but it's incredibly difficult when know the view that I as a white man am "privileged" in their eyes, it just makes me angry.Of course, no all non white people feel this, I have some non white friends who have no sense of racial entitlement, don't resent others but at times, it feels like they hold the minority view.They are not liberals and far as I know, none of them voted for dear leader, so who knows.

Really though, we eradicated institutional racism on non whites, need to finish it off against whites and hopefully over time the "private" racism in the culture will go away, as much as it will on it's own.However, if this has to happen, black/latino etc citizens must let go of the past, drop their racism or things will never change.

However, to say that white people, in today's society have privilege over others, is absurd.

Bubbles have any people looked at you, say at the school canteen or something and thought you were probably a terrorist who was up to something because of ethnic origin or...what was it again?
oh yeah they smelled funny.
If this hasn't happened to you then you have benefited from having a white skin.

Now extend that to other situations and you should get the point.

Really though, we eradicated institutional racism on non whites,

Can you explain the earlier mentions of schools and churches still practicing racist discrimination then, those are institutions, schools would be a pretty important institution.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

However, to say that white people, in today's society have privilege over others, is absurd.

Very good point. A man of color in the White House is exhibit A.

A person can either choose to work and succeed or stand around and make excuses, and that goes for all races.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gee, how could 300 years of a system with economic, educational and social aspects rigged in favor of one group have any lingering effects? It doesn't! It all went away overnight. Everyone, black and white, reaped the benefits of their forefathers' abundant wealth and educational opportunities, because you see, the Civil Rights Act was magic! It magically went back in time and undid all the nasty things that happened in the past. That's why the past doesn't matter anymore, you see!

No one said it went away overnight. But there have been nearly 2 full generations since the Civil Rights Act was passed. The claim that "institutional racism" or "white privilege" has survived and prospered just doesn't hold water. Does racism still exist? Of course - you always will have a few ignorant folks out there. No law can end all racism any more than any law can end all crime. But at this point its outliers vs the norm. Lingering effect? Sure, you get the oddball that wants to sit on Jerry Springer in his Grand Dragon robes. But its not the norm. If it was, you wouldn't have had the outcome of the last 2 presidential elections.

Sadly, programs like affirmative action are institutionalized racism against the grandsons and granddaughters of those who did ill due to racial discrimination. Those grandsons and granddaughters did not do the ill - yet they are the ones that are discriminated against because of the guilty conscience of society over history. It is this fact that makes the idea of modern day "equal opportunity" a fallacy. Either the field is level and based on individual merit and ability, or it is not equal. When there are expectations of quota's do insure proper "diversity" - things are not based on merit and ability.

I also note that there was no response on the claim regarding the justice system and its supposed "white bias". Were you unable to refute the facts about crime in South Africa?

[Oberon]

Eleven pages...eleven pages of the same argument going back and forth between people who will never change their viewpoint?

[Sailor Steve]

Hey, you take your entertainment where you can find it.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Hey, you take your entertainment where you can find it.

Never really been one for tennis myself, more of a cricket man.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Bubbles have any people looked at you, say at the school canteen or something and thought you were probably a terrorist who was up to something because of ethnic origin or...what was it again?
oh yeah they smelled funny.
If this hasn't happened to you then you have benefited from having a white skin.

Now extend that to other situations and you should get the point.


Can you explain the earlier mentions of schools and churches still practicing racist discrimination then, those are institutions, schools would be a pretty important institution.

No, but not every person sees an arabic person and assumes terrorist.However, the major terror threat we face is from islamic terrorism, many arabs are muslim, people see them and think, okay.Right? no but just something you can not change? yes.

Yes, the persians in one of my class do smell funny, sorry but they do.That is not racist, I actually have met these people and they do smell weird.There is a running joke about how people from that part of the world smell, different cultures, hygiene habits, etc but no all day, so it is a stereotype and they happened to fit it, all I was saying.


What schools and churches are practicing discrimination? Some may but it's not lega and certainly not the policy of the government at federal or state/local level to discriminate, thus institutional racism towards non whites is mostly eradicated.However, it does exist towards white due to affirmative action and other policies that give "minorities" a leg up in many areas.


I am just confused by your failure to see it.I am not denying racism existed and still does on some levels but it's not as it is made out to be by the race baiters and power elites who use race to divide and conquer.

[CaptainHaplo]

Thinking a certain type of people smell funny is racist now?

African American women tend to use a lot of coconut scented oil - and to me that's a funny smell. Psychologically speaking, smell is one of the most powerful mental triggers we humans have. When I smell coconut oil, my mind associates that with black women. That isn't racism, its a Pavlovian type mental response.

Many French women - and many "tree huggers" who love the "European idealistic lifestyle" who emulate them here where I live - don't shave or bathe. Guess what - they smell funny too. Just not in any way that can be considered "good". Does noticing 3 weeks of built up BO make me racist too?

When I eat too much garlic - I smell funny too. Also not in a good way. It seeps through the pores. When I notice that - am I being racist against my garlic loving race?

PC is idiocy that sometimes knows no bounds....

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

No, but not every person sees an arabic person and assumes terrorist.However, the major terror threat we face is from islamic terrorism, many arabs are muslim, people see them and think, okay.Right? no but just something you can not change? yes.

Yes, the persians in one of my class do smell funny, sorry but they do.That is not racist, I actually have met these people and they do smell weird.There is a running joke about how people from that part of the world smell, different cultures, hygiene habits, etc but no all day, so it is a stereotype and they happened to fit it, all I was saying.


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Now extend that to other areas. Take your statement from school and put it in the workplace
You made a statement about a group of people based on their ethnicity, stated that they were dodgy because of that and were probably terrorists who were up to something.

What schools and churches are practicing discrimination?

As for schools, well you will have to ask Haplo that, he raised its continued practice in his attempt to ....errrrr ...say these thing didn't happen anymore
In regards to churches , don't you remember the story? it was quite big in the news. Apparently old habits die hard in some places in the States.



@haplo

Thinking a certain type of people smell funny is racist now?

Errrrrrr....no
the smelly part was included to make sure Bubbles knew exactly which statement I was referring to.
Nice rant though, it makes you look ....well kinda......

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

the smelly part was included to make sure Bubbles knew exactly which statement I was referring to.

That is debate, up to a point. At least you explain what you're doing.

Nice rant though, it makes you look ....well kinda......

That is nothing but straight-up insult.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That is nothing but straight-up insult.

Sometimes that is all some people have left.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

As for schools, well you will have to ask Haplo that, he raised its continued practice in his attempt to ....errrrr ...say these thing didn't happen anymore

Either you were unable to actually get the point, or you are intentionally being difficult. I expect the latter - and that you are purposefully misrepresenting what I posted. The example I gave was one in which whites and females were being discriminated against based upon their race and gender. It was intentionally pointed out as an example of "reverse racism" - just like affirmative action.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Eleven pages...eleven pages of the same argument going back and forth between people who will never change their viewpoint?

An excellent observation. What do they say is the definition of insanity?