Gun Companies Boycott New York.

[Ducimus]

So much ado about some woman trying to get a discount at a pizza shop, and of feeding a troll.

A.) Woman is there for a freaking discount on pizza. To do that, she's open carrying her handgun. While not advisable, it is legal.

B.) Add troll to your ignore list. Problem solved. Some people are simply not worth hearing.

[Armistead]

Gun Ban Proposals by Politicians




Former Sen. Bill Bradley, Al Gore's sole rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, is considering including a ban on the sale of handguns in an aggressive gun control plan that he will announce later in his campaign, the Associated Press reports.

"I'm considering all the alternatives," the former New Jersey lawmaker said Monday in an interview with reporter Ron Fournier. Mr. Bradley already has endorsed a " handgun card, " a photo identity card required of anybody carrying a handgun.

Greg Pierce, Where's the Outrage?, Washington Times, May 26, 1999, at A6.
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Mayor Dianne Feinstein [now U.S. Senator, D.-Cal.] moved yesterday to make San Francisco the nation's first major city to ban handguns for personal use.

UPI, Feinstein Seeks To Ban Handguns In San Francisco, Feb. 26, 1982.
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Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros and Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke signed the Communitarian Network's The Case for Domestic Disarmament, which among other thing said:

There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . . Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . . Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order.
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I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!

Sen. John H. Chafee (R.-R.I.), In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992, at 13A.
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"My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don't have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that's the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation." Evan Osnos, Bobby Rush; Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999, at C3 (quoting Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.)).
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Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind.

Rep. Major Owens (D-Brooklyn, N.Y.), 139 Cong. Rec. H9088 at H9094, Nov. 10, 1993.
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Rep. William L. Clay (D-St. Louis, Mo.), said the Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases," Clay said.

Robert L. Koenig, NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill, St. Louis Post Dispatch, May 8, 1993, at 1A.
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Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran is proposing a wide-ranging package of laws that would make the state's gun control regulations among the strictest in the nation and says his ultimate goal is a ban on handguns.

Daniel LeDuc, Tough Laws For Guns Proposed In Maryland; Attorney General Says Goal Is Ban, Wash. Post, Oct. 20, 1999, at A01.
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[Peter] Jennings: And the effect of the assault rifle ban in Stockton? The price went up, gun stores sold out and police say that fewer than 20 were turned in. Still, some people in Stockton argue you cannot measure the effect that way. They believe there's value in making a statement that the implements of violence are unacceptable in our culture.

[Stockton, California] Mayor [Barbara] Fass: I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step.

ABC News Special, Peter Jennings Reporting: Guns, April 11, 1991, available on LEXIS, NEWS database, SCRIPT file.
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In a high-stakes political gamble, [Democrat-Farmer-Labor Minnesota] gubernatorial candidate Tony Bouza proposed a strict gun control program Tuesday that includes the confiscation and purchase by the state of most privately owned handguns.

Robert Whereatt, Bouza Says He'd Confiscate Majority of Handguns, Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Sept. 7, 1994, at 1A. (In Minnesota, the Democratic party is known as the Democrat-Farmer-Labor party.)

Gun Ban Proposals by Media Figures and Institutions




Why should America adopt a policy of near-zero tolerance for private gun ownership? Because it's the only alternative to the present insanity. Without both strict limits on access to new weapons and aggressive efforts to reduce the supply of existing weapons, no one can be safer.

Editorial, Taming The Monster: Get Rid of the Guns, Los Angeles Times, Dec. 28, 1993, at B6 (boldface added).
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No presidential candidate has yet come out for the most effective proposal to check the terror of gunfire: a ban on the general sale, manufacture and ownership of handguns as well as assault-style weapons.

Editorial, Guns Along the Campaign Trail, Washington Post, July 19, 1999, at A18 (boldface added).
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There is no reason for anyone in this country, anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun.

I used to think handguns could be controlled by laws about registration, by laws requiring waiting periods for purchasers, by laws making sellers check out the past of buyers.

I now think the only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.

Michael Gartner (then president of NBC News), Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?, USA Today, Jan. 16, 1992, at 9A (boldface added).
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In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.

Charles Krauthammer (nationally syndicated columnist), Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet, Washington Post, Apr. 5, 1996 (boldface added).
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"I would like to dispute that. Truthfully. I know it's an amendment. I know it's in the Constitution. But you know what? Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns."

Shannon Hawkins, Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999, at 55 (quoting talk show hostess Rosie O'Donnell) (boldface added).
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My guess [is] . . . that the great majority of Americans are saying they favor gun control when they really mean gun banishment. . . . I think the country has long been ready to restrict the use of guns, except for hunting rifles and shotguns, and now I think we're prepared to get rid of the damned things entirely -- the handguns, the semis and the automatics.

Roger Rosenblatt (Time Magazine columnist), Get Rid of the Damned Things, Time, Aug. 9, 1999, at 38 (boldface added).
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Time national correspondent Jack E. White one-upped Mr. Thomas: "Whatever is being proposed is way too namby-pamby. I mean, for example, we're talking about limiting people to one gun purchase or handgun purchase a month. Why not just ban the ownership of handguns when nobody needs one? Why not just ban semi-automatic rifles? Nobody needs one."

L. Brent Bozell III, Lock-and-Load Mode Against the 2nd, Washington Times, May 8, 1999, at A12.
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Investigate the NRA with renewed vigor. It may be on the run, but its spokesman claims membership ($25 annual dues) is up 600,000 over 10 years ago. Print names of elected officials who take NRA funds. Interview them. Support all forms of gun licensing; in fact, all the causes NRA opposes.

Thomas Winship (former editor of the Boston Globe), Step Up the War Against Guns, Editor & Publisher Magazine, April 24, 1993, at 24.

Gun Ban Proposals by Advocacy Groups




The [American Academy of Pediatrics] believes handguns, deadly air guns and assault weapons should be banned.

American Assocation of Pediatrics, Where We Stand, available at http://www.aap.org/advocacy/wwestand.htm (visited Jan. 21, 1999) (boldface added).
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A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls -- such as expanding background checks at gun shows and stopping the import of high-capacity magazines -- and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act introduced by Senator Robert Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat of Rhode Island. Their measure would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns.

Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Dispense With the Half Steps and Ban Killing Machines, Houston Chronicle, Nov. 5, 1999, at 45 (boldface added).
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We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.

Richard Harris, A Reporter at Large: Handguns, New Yorker, July 26, 1976, at 53, 58 (quoting Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc.) (boldface added, italics in original).
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We will never fully solve our nation's horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons.

Jeff Muchnick, Legislative Director, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Better Yet, Ban All Handguns, USA Today, Dec. 29, 1993, at 11A (boldface added).

The best way to prevent gun violence is to ban handguns.

Michael K. Beard, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Letters to the Editor, Wall. St. J., July 23, 1997, at A19 (boldface added).

The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of the private sale of handguns and assault weapons in the United States.

Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, http://www.csgv.org/content/coalition/coal_intro.html (visited June 20, 2000) (boldface added) ("The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is composed of 44 civic, professional and religious organizations and 120,000 individual members that advocate for a ban on the sale and possession of handguns and assault weapons.").
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There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . . Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . . Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order.
Communitarian Network, The Case for Domestic Disarmament, endorsed by 75 signatories, mostly academics. 

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Gun Ban Proposals by Politicians

...
endorsed by 75 signatories, mostly academics.

Ugh. Domestic disarmament my ass.
I know this is melodramatic, and typical right wing rhetoric, but i think for our society, and a good start in that direction is by removing our ability to defend ourselves.

EDIT:
You know, I wonder. I wonder just how many people this gun control issue has pushed over to the right. Before all this BS, i was pretty much in the center, middle of the road. Some things the left did I agreed with, some things the right did I didn't agree with - and vice versa. However, the INSTANT the left started talking about infringing upon the second amendment, it pushed me off the fence and to the right. I wonder how many people have done the same. It also got me looking at the larger picture. In my opinion, this isn't about guns, its about the continued erosion of our civil liberties. It has to stop, and the way things are going, It seems to me a nation run by a left wing majority is a greater long term threat to our civil liberties and way of life then a right wing majority. (the latter of which will just leave us broke and impovrished)

Gun Ban Proposals by Politicians

Big list, none calling for banning all guns.
One comment by that media muppet O'Donell, do you attatch any wieght to her?

B.) Add troll to your ignore list. Problem solved. Some people are simply not worth hearing.

You trolling again Ducimus.
Get over yourself, you made an emotional arguement against something Takeda wrote and threw your toys out the pram when you were called on it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Big list, none calling for banning all guns.
One comment by that media muppet O'Donell, do you attatch any wieght to her?


You trolling again Ducimus.
Get over yourself, you made an emotional arguement against something Takeda wrote and threw your toys out the pram when you were called on it.

I agree, some would leave us with muskets and shotguns, but as soon as someone killed a person with one those would be next. They're numerous comments from known media figures in the list to get rid of all guns....

You asked for one, you got it.....now keep complaining.

[Takeda Shingen]

The most recent from that list is from 13 years ago. The last part is even citing a petition to a senator that died in 1999. Some of it goes back to the 70's. None of this is active in the current debate.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

You know, I wonder. I wonder just how many people this gun control issue has pushed over to the right. Before all this BS, i was pretty much in the center, middle of the road. Some things the left did I agreed with, some things the right did I didn't agree with - and vice versa. However, the INSTANT the left started talking about infringing upon the second amendment, it pushed me off the fence and to the right. I wonder how many people have done the same. It also got me looking at the larger picture. In my opinion, this isn't about guns, its about the continued erosion of our civil liberties. It has to stop, and the way things are going, It seems to me a nation run by a left wing majority is a greater long term threat to our civil liberties and way of life then a right wing majority. (the latter of which will just leave us broke and impovrished)

Interesting point.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

None of this is active in the current debate.

Except that it was only posted in response to someone's claim that it has never happened.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

Gun owners get a discount at VA. pizza shop.

http://news.yahoo.com/gun-owners-dis...111718083.html



Don't be messin' with that pistol packing mama!

Nice, all I need to do now is sneak up behind her, slug her with a stick and I now have a weapon. That's why I don't like open carry. It is just advertising that you have something worth stealing.

[Armistead]

The woman looks pretty good for just having a baby....

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

You asked for one, you got it.....now keep complaining.

Dude, do us both a favor and stop quoting the trolling Mick. His words are worth the paper they are printed on. Which is to say, worthless.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Nice, all I need to do now is sneak up behind her, slug her with a stick and I now have a weapon. That's why I don't like open carry. It is just advertising that you have something worth stealing.

I can appreciate that we can legally open carry, but it's just one of those things where, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". I'm all for concealed carry, but "strapping Iron" openly onto your hip i think is one of those things best left to the great outdoors when one is camping, hiking, fishing, hunting, etc,

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Ugh. Domestic disarmament my ass.
I know this is melodramatic, and typical right wing rhetoric, but i think for our society, and a good start in that direction is by removing our ability to defend ourselves.

EDIT:
You know, I wonder. I wonder just how many people this gun control issue has pushed over to the right. Before all this BS, i was pretty much in the center, middle of the road. Some things the left did I agreed with, some things the right did I didn't agree with - and vice versa. However, the INSTANT the left started talking about infringing upon the second amendment, it pushed me off the fence and to the right. I wonder how many people have done the same. It also got me looking at the larger picture. In my opinion, this isn't about guns, its about the continued erosion of our civil liberties. It has to stop, and the way things are going, It seems to me a nation run by a left wing majority is a greater long term threat to our civil liberties and way of life then a right wing majority. (the latter of which will just leave us broke and impovrished)

Glad you see the big picture Duci, wish more did.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Dude, do us both a favor and stop quoting the trolling Mick. His words are worth the paper they are printed on. Which is to say, worthless.

I really don't him well or yet to figure out who all the radical trolls are, probably cause I pay so little attention to them.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Glad you see the big picture Duci, wish more did.

Within reason. Credible threats to our civil liberties as documented by congressional and government record, and presented in a thoughtful and logical manner get my attention. (For example, The patriot Act and the NDAA) Certainly not anything personalties like Alex Jones might say. In fact, I wish that guy wasn't on the pro gun side, as he makes everyone look bad.

I also don't buy into the whole FEMA camp thing because the only sources for that theory reside in the extreme area of opinion or conjecture. I'd have to see several reputable sources presenting irrefutable evidence in a logical manner before I'd give that stuff any serious thought.

Dude, do us both a favor and stop quoting the trolling Mick.

More trolling, now with added pathetic racism.
You really are showing yourself up for what you are

They're numerous comments from known media figures in the list to get rid of all guns....

You asked for one, you got it.....now keep complaining.

I suggest you read your list again.
near zero, handguns, handguns, handguns, no ban, 1 muppet, my guess????, handguns, gun licence.
So your media section came up with 1 muppet and rather strangely 1 call for no ban.

Could you post a working link to the last section please?

Except that it was only posted in response to someone's claim that it has never happened.

And like your earlier attempt at the same it doesn't quite deliver does it.