Obama's impeachable Offenses(link)

[misha1967]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I never said that the entire article was not true.It has to do with the START treaty it is just his proposals it does not mean that they are going to happen. Reagan also wanted to eventually abolish or eliminate the threat of nuclear weapons. Reagan and Gorbachev actually came very close to an agreement.

Pull your head out.I have never been the type foolish enough to place my proverbial head into anything in the first place. That defense system only served to make the Russians more likely to produce more missiles the USSR and the CIS treat a missile defense system as a threat because it lowers their odds off striking the US and raises the effect of our missiles the only recourse is to desire to produce more missiles the US would react in the same manner if Russia started making a defense system.

First off, the START treaty is null and void as it was entered into with a nation that no longer exists. Insisting that we should abide to it would be like insisting that we had obligations to the Austria-Hungarian Empire.

As to the second part, you're absolutely correct that SDI was designed to bring the Soviet Union down. It was also designed as a general way of making us more safe, but the primary objective was to force the Soviet Union into an arms race that they had no chance of winning because they couldn't afford it. Their only "defense" was the threat that they could obliterate us with nukes because they knew full well that our technology advantage would wipe out their armies and, absent that, they'd be gone. They had no choice. They could either try to outspend us or lose from financial exhaustion. A true lose-lose scenario if ever there was one. And it brought them down without a shot being fired.

Pure genius.

Of course, now that we've managed to develop a version of SDI that actually works as opposed to the "maybe" of the original plan, we have a HUGE advantage, particularly in today's world where nuclear delivery isn't reserved to superpowers. And we'd be bloody IDIOTS to not maintain that advantage. Which is why Obama is a traitor in that respect, because he's deliberately trying to weaken us globally, no matter what his "good intentions" might be.

The only way to avoid war altogether is to make sure that your enemies know that they don't stand a chance in hell of winning one against you. That's not "aggressive", that's just common sense.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I think the best thing we could do for the country is to, have a national referrendum and term limit congress and the president to 1 term and that's it! (more so for congress) Get these career politians out! Elections to be held on April 15th.

And we need better people to run.
Between the bamster, HRC, Edwards, Palin, and Gingrich, surely the US could find better choices than this?

Are we allowed to excoriate the mistakes of our favored party if we are hard core liberal or conservative?I see a loop hole though every politician will suddenly be
strongly in favor of human cloning so they might clone themselves and have Joe Smith number 2 run after Joe Smith has to leave office.

by the way misha I am not paying attention to you.Your little comment about one party getting excused for making mistakes while another does not makes me question your "opinion".

Not sure of your background(not sure if you are Russian or former USSR citizen?) but it sounds like you replaced one Pravda with another.

I take it that you have not heard of New START which is the currently signed treaty between the US and CIS it is the follow up of the START treaty pull that head out again.

[misha1967]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Are we allowed to excoriate the mistakes of our favored party if we are hard core liberal or conservative?

I don't need any permissions, and as a conservative, don't even get me started on the stupidity of the Republicans because I'm not likely to ever stop ranting.

nikimcbee is right: A good first step would be term limits. Government service should be service, NOT a career choice. And that goes for both sides in that plague-ridden swamp of corruption that we know as Washington DC.

If there is ONE thing I KNOW that I agree with my liberal friends (and I have quite a few, life isn't all about politics, you know) on, it's that we're all sick and tired of slick bastards promising us the moon in return for our vote, only to see them turn into the same old group of corrupt, bribe-taking villains that we wanted to throw out in the first place the very moment that the prostitutes get seated behind their new desks.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by misha1967

Government service should be service, NOT a career choice.

I am sooo using this.

[Stealhead]

@ misha Well we seem to more in agreement with most everything I was not being clear on referring to NewStart I am 50/50 on your thoughts of START I have very good friend of mine who is an officer in the USAF missile command he agrees with NEW START as do I though he informs me that even within missile command there is much discussion on it some agree others disagree. sorry I have confused your post with Sea Demons


do disregard if you would from my previous post: "by the way misha I am not paying attention to you.Your little comment about one party getting excused for making mistakes while another does not makes me question your "opinion".

Not sure of your background(not sure if you are Russian or former USSR citizen?) but it sounds like you replaced one Pravda with another."


Do forgive me I am currently in my hotel room stone drunk in Southeast Asia my vacation time.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by misha1967

I don't need any permissions, and as a conservative, don't even get me started on the stupidity of the Republicans because I'm not likely to ever stop ranting.

nikimcbee is right: A good first step would be term limits. Government service should be service, NOT a career choice. And that goes for both sides in that plague-ridden swamp of corruption that we know as Washington DC.

If there is ONE thing I KNOW that I agree with my liberal friends (and I have quite a few, life isn't all about politics, you know) on, it's that we're all sick and tired of slick bastards promising us the moon in return for our vote, only to see them turn into the same old group of corrupt, bribe-taking villains that we wanted to throw out in the first place the very moment that the prostitutes get seated behind their new desks.

I live in a one party rule state (ore-gone), so I've had my fill of it. They just filled david wu's seat:
(this guy)

The person who replaced him, her husband is wu's lawyer! The only job the lady had held was a legislator in Salem and a trial lawyer.

If it weren't for the tech industry, this state would be an economic black hole. 1 in 6 in ore-gone work for the state, but I've bitched about that enough.

[Stealhead]

I think I saw that guy a few hours ago probably served me some booze .

I think we need to put into witness protection misha1967 his very true statement: Government service should be service, NOT a career choice.Is likely going to result in the worlds slime balls err politictions hiring hit men to find him and "relocate" him such ideas are very dangerous to their bottom line.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I think I saw that guy a few hours ago probably served me some booze .

See, he had a "D" next to his name, so everybody voted for him.

[Stealhead]

D stands for Drunkard right?

R stands for Rich Bastard

I stands for Idiot you just wasted your vote


I actually once worked as a poll worker during an election at the end of the night we all have to go though the paper ballots to look for the ones that cant be counted because the person was a nut bag you would be shocked what some people write on the ballots or how many fill in every slot.

Cant wait to see my posts when I wake up I am spending alot of time editing them I think they are understandably reasonable the cost of WiFI in this hotel could be more reasonable.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I actually once worked as a poll worker during an election at the end of the night we all have to go though the paper ballots to look for the ones that cant be counted because the person was a nut bag you would be shocked what some people write on the ballots or how many fill in every slot.

Tell me about it. Last decembers parlamentary elections in Slovenia

I hope this clarifies things a bit

It certainly does, which is why it was asked in the first place...but obviously you had difficulty reading that simple question and went off babbling, which also further displays another question which was answered
So your answer on definition was...."things you don't like or don't get".
Well done, you even managed to further tie yourself in knots trying to get round your problem of trying to avoid the definition, indeed you appear to be you stuck in a loop of circular logic
Face it Misha you babble about socialism yet are unable to define it, and are strongly in favour of a mixed economy but are uncomfortable with facing that simple truth as you think it maybe somehow socialist.

First off, the START treaty is null and void as it was entered into with a nation that no longer exists.

How is it possible to have such an epic fail on something so basic?
should we go into states and treaties lesson 101?
or should it just be.......

Priceless, keep it up.

If there is ONE thing I KNOW that I agree with my liberal friends (and I have quite a few, life isn't all about politics, you know) on, it's that we're all sick and tired of slick bastards promising us the moon in return for our vote, only to see them turn into the same old group of corrupt, bribe-taking villains that we wanted to throw out in the first place the very moment that the prostitutes get seated behind their new desks.

If only you stuck to that line you would be fine

[Stealhead]

Chuck Norris sadly at least in the US "the most interesting man in the world"
is stealing a little bit of Chucks thunder of course only because Chuck Norris always him to live.

@Tribesman I suppose you can use my Pravda statement if you like if it suits you feelings about the post by misha you are thinking of I had actually mistaken a post by Sea Demon (as having been misha's) who stated:

"Both parties have their failures, and Republicans also need to be excoriated over a number of matters, but Republicans simply don't dismantle our national security apparatus with the haste that the Democrats do. Nor do Republicans wish to turn the whole nation into some sort of nanny state hell."

Nevermind then you edited it out sneaky you almost got caught.

Sorry jet lag and drinking in Thailand bad mix.

Nevermind then you edited it out sneaky you almost got caught.

He is taken apart enough as it is, the quote was applicable over the topic as he seems to be parroting an ideology based line from the "liberal media" of the chalkboard without actually thinking.
I added the last bit instead as you can see he ain't thick, he just needs to apply it more instead of falling for the "its them and that" all the time.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

then you will have at least some understanding of economics.

I deal with economics for a living and with all due respect, I'll pass on taking lessons from bloggers who don't understand even the basics of statistics and who can get something as simple as a yearly population adjustment wrong. Ideologues aren't who I go to for an understanding of economics.

Idiocy like the repeal of Glass Steagall was "government getting out of the way of business." It's not the answer to all of our economic ills and can have unintended consequences that are just as bad as excessive regulation.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I deal with economics for a living and with all due respect, I'll pass on taking lessons from bloggers who don't understand even the basics of statistics and who can get something as simple as a yearly population adjustment wrong. Ideologues aren't who I go to for an understanding of economics.

Idiocy like the repeal of Glass Steagall was "government getting out of the way of business." It's not the answer to all of our economic ills and can have unintended consequences that are just as bad as excessive regulation.

I totally agree that Glass Steagall repeal was a horrible mistake. Yes, total deregulation leads to abuse. We can agree there.

However, one can point to regulation that is in place, but not actually done - like what occured with Fannie/Freddie - that shows yet another side to the problem.

We do not need more laws or regulations in this country. If we enforced the ones we have - at least we would have a baseline on what works and what doesn't - but politicians are more about making new rules and giving themselves more power than they are about using what they have to the benefit of the country.

To fix the country - you have to change that fact - and that means the culture in Washington - on both sides - has to change.

Which leads back to the point - unemployment is over 15%, Obama is engaged in crony capitalism at its worst, the government is doing its best to "pick" who survives and who doesnt in the business world, all while they mandate how private businesses will work and what we the citizens must purchase....

Say what you want about the "evil" republicans - but the above isn't what this country is supposed to be - and supporting Obama does nothing more than support more debt, a failing economy that rewards failure with bailouts and leaves the "working" class to die on the vine and more "programs" that waste what money we have.

Think about that when you go vote in November.....