For the global warming denial crowd

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

[I feel sorry for anybody that has to put a political lean in all aspects of their life. One can't help put wonder if the "right" was GL you'd be fanatical
about it then too. Three political references in one global warming paragraph. You're something else.

blah, blah, blah....whine..whine...whine.....quibble...quibble ..quibble...


Congradulations! You actually posted a credible link.

There simply is no political context there. Other than to point out that most people who believe this nonsense quite often are Dem's. What's the matter...upset that it's the truth that it's largely lefties who wear the tin foil? I think it's quite relevant as we have two sides that are vying to run the country. Your warming proponent side, I believe, will take us down a path that would be detrimental, risky, and unecessary to a large extent. I don't want the political side that pushes faulty theories with fraudulent and costly "fixes" to get elected. As much as we can prevent that from happening, I like to point it out. And I will continue to do so. Get over it. I find it funny that you try to blur the lines of your own political slant.

And I also love your back peddling. All you've done on this thread and the Al Gore thread is pimp for the man-made warming theories and have done nothing but deny reality. You have been faced with questions you cannot answer, faulty data from your "sources" that you cannot answer for, and blatant hypocrisy from the proponents of your movement you have tried to excuse but cannot. You have not answered any of my previous questions, and have run away from every single thread topic once they get asked of you. But yet, you come back eventually with a seeming, yet feeble attempt to try and convince people of your fantasies, and people are now moving away from these theories. I even see that you are making a desperate yet anemic attempt to support it now. Nothing has changed, but your positions are getting harder and harder to explain and defend. And they will get more difficult in the future. Why? Because you have bought fallacious theories wholesale without any thinking or rationalizations on your part. You have basically given your thinking responsibilities over to a science academy with a nice sounding name. Their data is wrong, yet you unwaveringly continue to support their theories. There are many scientists from many credible organizations that are pointing out what I'm saying right here. But you shut your ears to them, and bury your head in quicksand because you want to believe in your movement. Where I come from that's plain stupid, and politically slanted. Now you are left to do nothing but back-peddle. Your bogus links have been lying to you. Perhaps you can get off your rump, look at the world around you, listen to all points of view, actually try and interpret the data, question the inconsistincies, and bad data, and dig yourself out of your hole.


BTW, I find this statement from you and your use of this emoticon just plain weird:

Originally Posted by bradclark1

We are going through a heat wave this week here so global warming must be happening. Getting close to sixty.

A smiley face when trying to convince people of your disaster scenario???? Odd.

In the interest of reality, here's a news story of interest. Snow in Mexico? Can you say, natural temperature variation? How could this be?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080103/...U7TSwHe.ZvaA8F

And this. Despite increases in CO2 output overall, slightly cooler 2008. (note: I can do the smiley emoticon as it's good news for humanity)

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...-wJ4OmHAYGbvPg

For your own consumption, yes I'm aware of what it says on paragraph #1. Please actually interpret what they're saying and how it relates to the premises of the man-made theories regarding CO2 emissions. This really isn't that hard.

Do you even know how much CO2 we emit compared to the total of greenhouse gases? Anyway, I'm enjoying your impotence on this subject matter. Many holes in man-made warming theories abound. And alot more people speaking out on behalf of common sense, reason, and good old fashion data analysis. But I will say your persistence here to prove this junk is quite ......well.....interesting.........

[August]

Geez SD stop with the insults. Brad doesn't deserve such treatment and they do nothing to support your argument.

[Sea Demon]

A little something else I just found. More voices saying on man-made warming.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/...NTARY/10575140

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by August

Geez SD stop with the insults. Brad doesn't deserve such treatment and they do nothing to support your argument.

You're right. But I wonder if you've noticed the less than flattering comments that have been directed my way. Especially on this particular topic. But I do agree with you on principle.

[bradclark1]

Sea Demon. Stop being so ignorant. You are babbling again and obviously didn't read my last post. Disengage your mouth and engage your eyes and brain.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by August

Geez SD stop with the insults. Brad doesn't deserve such treatment and they do nothing to support your argument.

Thank you August but it honestly doesn't bother me. It's part of the fun with him. Like I've said before, someone has to supply the entertainment and he is entertainment.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Sea Demon. Stop being so ignorant. You are babbling again and obviously didn't read my last post. Disengage your mouth and engage your eyes and brain.

Case and point, August.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Thank you August but it honestly doesn't bother me. It's part of the fun with him. Like I've said before, someone has to supply the entertainment and he is entertainment.

And another! Utterly amazing.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Case and point, August.

Think so? Read my last post then your last post.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

Think so? Read my last post then your last post.

I won't debate you on the tone of your comments. Please. You crack me up, dude.

[Peto]

You know--whether or not climate change is man-made or not doesn't really matter in the big picture. And the gist of the article written about scientists and the senate seemed to be more about that than whether we're having strange weather patterns. (We are. More tornados in Wisconsin today. 2 days in a row now...)

What is important is:

It is a golden opportunity to scientifically explore and learn more about the world. It's bringing a focus from the scientific community from which much knowledge will emerge.

It creates a platform from which we can put serious developement into renewable energy sources. Being able to rid ourselves of dependance on foreign oil has much more upside than down. And in the quest for knowledge in that direction, unknown scientific discoveries can be made that may open up whole new possibilities for the future. (Enough energy to reach the stars? Who knows?)

When I turn on a light now, I think about it a little more--and am thankful. I also am glad I switched to more energy efficient lights which have actually made a small impact on monthly bill. Instead of driving 3 blocks for a loaf of bread I walk.

And when I wake up to a nice day, I'm that much more grateful. If anyone can find a downside to this--well :hmm:. Climate Change is not about a fight between people. Whether it is real or not, we are all on this planet together. By taking a few simple steps on the cautionary side doesn't hurt. I've met some nice people on my walks to the store.

Climate Change = an Opportunity to become Closer as a race. Fighting about it is pointless. Ridiculing those who practice concern and take energy saving steps is baseless. For me to think less of those who don't believe there is anything to worry about won't make me happier.

It's one world with a lot of people who all have different ideas and opinions. None-the-less, that doesn't mean that we can't make something positive out the situation that will benefit us all.

I recommend starting with a walk !

Respectfully,

Peto

PS: I'd much rather see the world's science community working on alternative energy sources than a more powerfull weapons platform. Fighting gets us nothing. Ask my son.

[August]

Originally Posted by Peto

Fighting gets us nothing. Ask my son.

We might but he doesn't post here.

But I must disagree with your sentiment. We can argue over what is and what isn't but there are indeed some things in life worth fighting for, and I think your son would agree.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I won't debate you on the tone of your comments. Please. You crack me up, dude.

You still don't get it. I could care less about attempted insults. You just make yourself look sillier and it's part of the game. I acknowledged those comments from the scientists and said that it bears watching. I also said that I hope I'm wrong about GW. The problem or the entertainment is, depending on how you want to look at it is that you can't see past your illogical political fanaticism. You are like a horse with blinders on.

[Peto]

Originally Posted by August

We might but he doesn't post here.

But I must disagree with your sentiment. We can argue over what is and what isn't but there are indeed some things in life worth fighting for, and I think your son would agree.

My son is in Iraq right now or I'd get him to post for you August . And he sure agrees with me that things like Climate Change aren't worth fighting about. Maybe a good "discussion" or two but not fighting.

Cheers!

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

You still don't get it. I could care less about attempted insults. You just make yourself look sillier and it's part of the game. I acknowledged those comments from the scientists and said that it bears watching. I also said that I hope I'm wrong about GW. The problem or the entertainment is, depending on how you want to look at it is that you can't see past your illogical political fanaticism. You are like a horse with blinders on.

Oh, I don't care either. Insults here mean nothing. If you can't see that alot of "Global Warming" is political, then you aren't paying attention. And there are two sides to it, and I want the people who buy it, want to enact punitive yet selective agreements (like Kyoto) on us to lose. I like common sense pollution controls. But I don't like the fear mongering to sell it. Especially with something as fallacious as man-made "Global Warming". And I did read your last comments on the matter. It is a capitulation of sorts on your part. I understand that. Up to now, you have been unwilling to listen to anyone who disagrees with your doomsday view and have tried to act as though the folks at the National Academy have total and complete consensus. Which they don't. That has always been completely false. And you have no choice now as you see there are disagreeing voices. Educated ones. Alot of them in fact.

And we're seeing innacurate data regarding man-made theories are abundant as well. We're seeing weather doing things which shouldn't happen, if the National Academy and Mr. Gore were correct. They're not. Up to now, in your arguments, nobody has been allowed to question the validity of these false premises, inconsistent scientific theories, and grossly innacurate forecasts. You've thrown pages and pages of temper tantrums and accomplished nothing. You've made me more skeptical. Fanaticism will do that. I'm sure I'm not alone. And the onus is on you to prove your assertions. Up till now, you have not been willing to even question the premises of their theories regarding man-made increased and sustained CO2 emissions resulting directly in higher global temperatures. And over time, runaway thermal conditions. And you have never even shown an understanding of what you know about atmospheric sciences. Instead you have been all about letting the voices you like (doomsday ones) heavily influence your thinking. Do you even know the composition of greenhouse gases and their cumulative totals? Do you know how man-made emissions tie into it and what their totals are? Do you really think natural emissions are a constant? Do you believe solar radiation and output is a constant? How do you explain global warming on a few of the other planets in our solar system? I know you despise questions, and like others in that movement, refuse to answer any of them. But if you're trying to prove theories of doom, it's up to you to prove it. And when your source's data is erroneous, the source loses credibility. That's how it works. Not "I'll throw out contrived theories, you prove me wrong". That's not how it works. Don't throw a temper tantrum. Prove your arguments. Answer questions. And above all, be ready to lead by example. None of these requirements have been met. Proving the theories have been tried, but the data shows inconsistincies. Don't get mad at me, get mad at your sources for being in error, get mad at nature for not cooperating with you, and get mad at atmospheric scientists who disagree and speak out. Until then, you're going to keep pi##ing in the wind to no avail.