Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Seeing as the B-2s radar cross-section is smaller than that of a F-117, a B-2 would stand a better chance on its own. Rather than dragging a tail of noise behind.

Ah! But that's the trick! The 117's provide cover targets that distract from the B2's!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

"What i fear is he might drop an atomic bomb on Kyev. The rest of the world should think about how to answer this."
B2 Stealth Bombers escorted by F-117's.
Those going in along with a massive wave of Cruise Missiles.

First i doubt Biden will do this. 2nd, to where exactly?

[Jimbuna]

WARNING:ADULT CONTENT

'Hungry' Russian Soldiers Loot Ukrainian Shops

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Media has been hyping up this 40 mile column for 3 days now. Yet little happens, for all its expected firepower. This whole campaign is a disaster for Russia. They are completely bogged down, and obviously very averse to battle. Report keep pouring in about captured russian equipment and destroyed columns. I hope the Ukrainians kick them well out.


Also, it is time for the worlds biggest enforcer of "freedom and democracy" around the world to get off its ass and help. Instead of laying the middle east in rubble you could perhaps do something useful and send a carrier strike group or two up in the Black Sea to keep the russian air force tied up.

I posted an article translated from Danish on page 104.

Here it is again

Several media, including Swedish Aftonbladet and American NPR , write that the giant convoy consisting of soldiers, armored vehicles, tanks, self-propelled artillery and other vehicles has simply run out of food and petrol.

But there may also be tactical considerations behind the sudden stop, says Kristian Lindhardt, who is a major and military analyst at the Defense Academy.

- There are two reasons. Either it can not move on, or it will not move on. If it can not move forward, it suggests that the Ukrainians are successful. If it does not want to move on, it indicates that the Russians are in the process of thinking about it, he says to Ekstra Bladet.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.go..._x_tr_pto=wapp

So there's more to it than we know.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

IF! and again I say IF such a strike was carried out?
I'd picture strikes on Military targets as Primary Targets.
Any strike would have Secondary Targets in case the Primary is destroyed by 1st wave or obscured. Same thing as in WWII and any other War.

The goal is to remove the ability to fight a War and break any resistance to discontinue fighting said War.
If the goal was to remove the Leaders? Why did the USA not just Nuke the Emperor of Japan?

Doing that would have increased the willingness of the Japanese people to continue the War.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

Media has been hyping up this 40 mile column for 3 days now. Yet little happens, for all its expected firepower. This whole campaign is a disaster for Russia. They are completely bogged down, and obviously very averse to battle. Report keep pouring in about captured russian equipment and destroyed columns. I hope the Ukrainians kick them well out.


Also, it is time for the worlds biggest enforcer of "freedom and democracy" around the world to get off its ass and help. Instead of laying the middle east in rubble you could perhaps do something useful and send a carrier strike group or two up in the Black Sea to keep the russian air force tied up.

While I agree I wish the U.S would do " something " sending a carrier strike group is ridiculous. The force would be subject to swarms of drone and cruise missile attacks, non stop. The U.S would never risk a strategic asset like a carrier group or two in a confined space like the Black Sea. Taking a tip from Jeff, cruise missile and drone attacks would be just as deadly for the Russian forces as well. This is just my opinion, though.

I will say this, a 40 mile column of tanks and infantry carriers would have had a bad day if a few squadrons of A-10 thunderbolts set up for tank busting strikes had come through. armed with a 30 millimeter rotary cannon and set up to deliver hell fire anti tank missiles and maverick missiles, it's a formidable opponent. The A-10's would have gone through the columns like an international harvester goes through a stand of wheat.

[Jeff-Groves]

I find it kind of crazy forces have NOT deployed from the cities to attack this Convoy!
You don't wait for them to arrive! You hit them where they sit!
Strung out along that big of an area? Any damages done along that route stop them from having a way to launch a massive counter attack!
Dash in and throw the Molotov's and disappear! Classic.

And someone needs to teach them about 'Sticky Bombs!'

[Rockstar]

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-c...-with-ukraine/

The United States has $595.9 million in active government-to-government sales cases with Ukraine under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system. FMS sales notified to Congress are listed , and recent significant prior sales include: the 2018 sale of 210 Javelin anti-armor missiles, which has provided Ukraine with a critical anti-armor capability; the 2019 sale of 150 additional Javelins; and the 2020 Mark VI patrol boats sale. The Javelin sales were funded by a mixture of State Department FMF and Ukrainian national funds.

From 2015 through 2019, the United States also authorized the permanent export of over $287 million in defense articles to Ukraine via the Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) process. The top categories of DCS to Ukraine during that period were Ammunition and Ordnance ($129 million); Fire Control, Laser, Imaging, and Guidance Equipment ($56 million); and Firearms and Related Articles ($54 million).

In addition, since 2017, the Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation has provided over $17 million in Nonproliferation, Anti-terrorism, Demining, and Related Programs support to the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine’s Maritime Border Guard Detachment through the Export Control and Border Security (EXBS) Program.

I’ve also read the Brits sent 2,000 Javelins. I could be wrong but seems it might be enough to wipe out the reported 1,200 tanks Putin staged for the attack. It also might be part of the reason Russian tanks are parked along the road instead of advancing.

“DARPA Space Magic”

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

While I agree I wish the U.S would do " something " sending a carrier strike group is ridiculous. The force would be subject to swarms of drone and cruise missile attacks, non stop. The U.S would never risk a strategic asset like a carrier group or two in a confined space like the Black Sea. Taking a tip from Jeff, cruise missile and drone attacks would be just as deadly for the Russian forces as well. This is just my opinion, though.

I will say this, a 40 mile column of tanks and infantry carriers would have had a bad day if a few squadrons of A-10 thunderbolts set up for tank busting strikes had come through. armed with a 30 millimeter rotary cannon and set up to deliver hell fire anti tank missiles and maverick missiles, it's a formidable opponent. The A-10's would have gone through the columns like an international harvester goes through a stand of wheat.

From the article

Attacks from the air?
One possibility could then be to attack or bomb the stagnant Russian combat unit , but it is not as easy as it might sound.

- When you have such a column, you will do everything to protect it, it sounded on Tuesday from Karsten Marrup, major and head of air operations at the Defense Academy, to Ekstra Bladet.

He also assessed that the Russians make sure to protect the convoy very well so that it is not exposed to attack.

Markus

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

While I agree I wish the U.S would do " something " sending a carrier strike group is ridiculous. The force would be subject to swarms of drone and cruise missile attacks, non stop. The U.S would never risk a strategic asset like a carrier group or two in a confined space like the Black Sea. Taking a tip from Jeff, cruise missile and drone attacks would be just as deadly for the Russian forces as well. This is just my opinion, though.

1. Then why don't they use this wealth of drones and cruise missiles to attack Ukrainian assets?
2. Not a valid argument. The U.S. has had several carrier battlegroups in the Persian Gulf which is much smaller.

Anyway, I hope you understand that it was not a serious suggestion. It was just to exemplify a wish for the U.S. to stand up for the freedom in the world, that it speak so warmly of.

On a side note, how do you guys think this would have played out under the Bush Jr. administration?

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

1. Then why don't they use this wealth of drones and cruise missiles to attack Ukrainian assets?

I believe you mean Russian Assets in the Ukraine?

Why not send in the USA Stealth Drones? Well that would be DIRECT involvement. And then Crazy Ivan may just push the button to activate WWIII.

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I believe you mean Russian Assets in the Ukraine?

No, I meant that if Russia still has a trove of missiles and drones which they could attack a US battlegroup with, why don't the Russians use those on Ukraine.. As many have pointed out, it makes no sense that Ukraines air force is still operating. The Russians should have taken it out long ago, if they had the capability.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

WARNING:ADULT CONTENT

'Hungry' Russian Soldiers Loot Ukrainian Shops

"three days rations" generally puts 'paid' to any blitzkrieg on day four... Well that's pillage now will there also be rape as alleged to the ICC in the Crimean Annexation as well?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_war_crimes

Speaking to Metro.co.uk from Kyiv, she said: ‘A Russian invasion would bring negative impacts including torture and tyranny.
‘Since the annexation of Crimea and the rebellion in the east of Ukraine my organisation has been documenting political persecution and war crimes.
‘These include abduction, torture, rape and murder.
‘I have spoken with several hundred people who were illegally detained and they have told me about different forms of torture in the Donbass regions, where those involved included Russians in a systematic chain of interrogation and torture that goes to a high level of the Russian Federation.
‘In some cases, the victims were able to tell me their ranks.
‘If an invasion takes place, such incidents will become widespread across Ukrainian territory. Russia uses war crimes and technology as a tool of conducting war, controlling the population and liquidating the opposition.’

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/27/ukrai...vive-16000811/

[Jeff-Groves]

THAT is a good question my Friend!
They have said for YEARS how great the systems they have are.
I'm seeing no proof of advanced weapons systems!
I'm seeing the exact opposite!

I'm seeing breakdowns of equipment, lack of supplies, unwillingness to move forward, unwillingness to prove advanced weaponry.
Come on! How long must Putin try this bluff?

I was a ParaTrooper in the 82nd Airborne. WE were trained that if 1000 of us were sent to do a mission?
20% were expected to die in the Airborne drop.
That's 200 out of 1000. 799 more die in the assault? You did everything you could to COMPLETE that Mission!

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

THAT is a good question my Friend!
They have said for YEARS how great the systems they have are.
I'm seeing no proof of advanced weapons systems!
I'm seeing the exact opposite!

I'm seeing breakdowns of equipment, lack of supplies, unwillingness to move forward, unwillingness to prove advanced weaponry.
Come on! How long must Putin try this bluff?

A thought

Could it be that he see the Ukrainian as Russian and thereby holding back not going all in. Like they did in Chechnya

Markus