2016 US Presidential election thread

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Could even turn into the largest mass shooting yet if matters get out of hand

Everybody is packing heat. It will deter any mass shootings.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I doubt it'll get that bad...but...it's not impossible.

I agree Chris but could you imagine the carnage if the unthinkable happened.

It would only take a hothead or two to start spraying bullets.

I would think guns will be barred from the venue on the night.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I would think guns will be barred from the venue on the night.

Indeed. I cannot imagine anyone being allowed into a convention carrying any kind of weapon. Metal detectors for sure would be used. After all Trump has made a few enemies.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Everybody is packing heat. It will deter any mass shootings.

Or it will just make any shooting propagate into a mass shooting. The term chain-reaction comes to mind.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Or it will just make any shooting propagate into a mass shooting. The term chain-reaction comes to mind.

Can you point to a mass shooting where that has happened ever?

[Oberon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shootout

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shootout

So no then.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

So no then.

Indeed, although there's a first time for everything.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by August

So no then.

There is a well known phenomenon in police and military circles known as "Contagious Shooting" or, sometimes, "Contagious Fire":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_shooting

...and this is in the ranks of trained and disciplined professionals; consider what might happen if some armed yahoos react to the sounds of gunshots, whether real or imagined, and start to open up with semiautomatics in a crowded hall. All it would take is for some person's gun to accidentally discharge and there could be a very undesirable reaction. Add to the mix heightened passions and tempers in a scenario such as, say, a contentious political convention filled with acrimony and, perhaps, such an idea is not so far fetched...


<O>

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Could even turn into the largest mass shooting yet if matters get out of hand

Maybe this is a great new way to reduce crime, send Trump and his armed supporters into democratic hell holes, and smoke out the bad guys.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vienna

There is a well known phenomenon in police and military circles known as "Contagious Shooting" or, sometimes, "Contagious Fire":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagious_shooting

...and this is in the ranks of trained and disciplined professionals; consider what might happen if some armed yahoos react to the sounds of gunshots, whether real or imagined, and start to open up with semiautomatics in a crowded hall. All it would take is for some person's gun to accidentally discharge and there could be a very undesirable reaction. Add to the mix heightened passions and tempers in a scenario such as, say, a contentious political convention filled with acrimony and, perhaps, such an idea is not so far fetched...


<O>

It's one way to test if the whole 'arm everyone to stop shootings' idea works though, to be fair.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It's one way to test if the whole 'arm everyone to stop shootings' idea works though, to be fair.

So you're positing a sort of "Darwin Test"?...

Yahoo has a rather interesting page on who is really voting for Trump; some really good links in the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/who-s-really-v...809.html?nf=1#



<O>

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Indeed, although there's a first time for everything.

Very true but a possibility is not a established fact like is so often implied.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vienna

So you're positing a sort of "Darwin Test"?...

Yahoo has a rather interesting page on who is really voting for Trump; some really good links in the article:

http://news.yahoo.com/who-s-really-v...809.html?nf=1#



<O>

Indeed, looks all white...I mean, alright, to me.

[Platapus]

To me, this illustrates the myth of the usefulness of armed citizens.

It might work well if there is a known number and position of "good guys" and "bad Guys". The optimum ratio would be one good guy. But you would never have that.

What you would have is an unknown number and position of "good guys" and an unknown number and position of "bad guys".

There you are, you hear a shot ring out. You notice someone 10 feet away from you holding a gun. You have less than one second to determine if this is a bad guy with a gun or a good guy with a gun. How are you going to make that decision?

Remember this is not a video game. There are no saves and reload.

It is not like the good guys wear (or are) white and the bad guys wear (or are) black. Nor do the bad guys stand on one side of the room and the good guys stand on the other.

If trained and experienced police officers have a hard time, how can we expect the average gun owner to be able to make this decision?

I have spent far too much time on the shooting range to have any confidence in the average gun owner in these decisions.

And then there is the whole different issue of even if the person can make the right decision and locate the bad guy, is there any expectation that the average gun owner would be able to hit the intended person in the middle of a panicking crowd? I have no expectation of that happening.

Go to any firing range that has been in business for many years and count the number of bullet holes in the lane dividers and overhear baffles. Yikes!

If you are in a room with an unknown number of average gun owners and "things go wrong", I feel the only way to survive is to immediately drop to the floor, preferably behind a stranger so they take the wild round.

Think of the accuracy, control, and discipline of the average gun owner... then imagine that almost half of the "good guys with a gun" in that room aint even that good.

If I were a bad guy and I knew that the group had a good expectation of being attended by people carrying concealed weapons, all I would do is get some firecrackers with a delay/long fuse. All I would have to do is just start the chain reaction. The good guys would handle the rest.