Life and Debt: A Greek Tragedy (merged)

[Gerald]

Right, the same story,and link

[Jimbuna]

Cross post...I was searching.

[Gerald]

Easy happened.

[STEED]

Greece is a dead duck, game over..The troika of the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank have carved up Greece like a Sunday roast.


Bailout looks even more likely for Spain, will they be next to be carved up?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by STEED

Greece is a dead duck, game over..The troika of the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank have carved up Greece like a Sunday roast.


Bailout looks even more likely for Spain, will they be next to be carved up?

Yes, Spain has major problems and just like Portugal also,

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

Greece is a dead duck, game over..The troika of the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank have carved up Greece like a Sunday roast.


Bailout looks even more likely for Spain, will they be next to be carved up?

Wondering if there'll only be Germany, France, Holland and a few others left in the end.

[Gerald]

About Spain,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19763756

[joea]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Telling people to "take thier medicine" when most of those people (just like most other people in the world) have no choice on the poisons their government fed them leading up to this, is unfair.

This makes it hard to justify the reaction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/wo...oc.semityn.www



Sadly it is the poor of Greece paying the price, not the pool tax evaders.

But being promised something, then having it taken, because your government stole it...

We can all identify with that.

Yup the worst is what I read this morning.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...ctims-neo-nazi

Bloody hell.

[Skybird]

The political and rich elites in Greece and the ordinary people have always been at war with each other, the former establishing a corrupt because it helps them to suck money and evade taxes, the latter because some small cracker fall from the rich people's table for them to pick up. Just remember: from 2009 on, all Greek parties were more interested in playing their powergames and securing as much influence for themselves as possible, than they were to solve the issues killing society.

But since decades Greek people also are used to think that the bakshish culture when dealing with state offices, were very much okay: everybody got what he wanted, and a blown up state administration also seemed to promise an endless universe of easy jobs with guaranteed fees. That way, the Greek became the most oversized and upblown state administration in all Europe. And the current government just weeks ago had created even more jobs , 6000 I think, in public service sector.

Dear Greeks, stop living in the past, raise against the rich elites that betray you and have brought their wealth out of the country already, and raise against politicians as well. Save nobody, make short process of this stinking breed. More than any other country in Europe, you need a revolution, and rolling heads in the so-called elites of your society. Your state - never existed in a modern understanding, you now have to build it from scratch.

The EU just seems to have decided to pay another tranche of 31 billion. Money that will be forever lost. And that illustrates that all EU politicians are criminal liars and all their papers and promises, treaties and laws are worth a dog's #### . What was it the EU has told European tax payers regarding obligations Greece has to meet, and how many of such conditions have been ignored, and promises got broken?

Greek corrupt politicians would be stupid to stop acting like they do - they know that EUcrats will throw money after them, no matter what, and if all hell freezes over - the money still will be thrown at them. So why should they ever change when it all works so well and they get away with it? It has worked for them since over two thousand years this way!

Greek needs a revolution to overthrow the current state of things, and build the first Greek national state worth the name in a modern understanding of the term "national state". I really would argue that what Greek is today, historically is not a national state, but a cleptocracy by administrational design. But this would also mean a massive change to long-grown mentality, I assume. So be it. If it is a must, then it is a must.

The EU will not ever kick anyone out of the Euro. For a simple reason. Sooner or later this country would come to terms again one way or the other - and then by its own example would demonstrate that there is a life without the Euro and that one can even be successful while leaving the Euro. A demonstration the EU will move all heaven and hell to prevent at all cost, even if it destroys memberstates - net payers or net receivers alike. Successful examples of leaving the Euro, are strictly prohibited. There shall never be demonstrated that one can win back freedom and life from Brussel. Sentenced for life - without parole.

Dear Greeks, stop living in the past, raise against the rich elites that betray you and have brought their wealth out of the country already, and raise against politicians as well. Save nobody, make short process of this stinking breed. More than any other country in Europe, you need a revolution, and rolling heads in the so-called elites of your society. Your state - never existed in a modern understanding, you now have to build it from scratch.

Add in a rant about Turks and Skybird has just delivered Golden Dawns street corner neo-nazi thug speech.

[Jimbuna]

No revolution needed Sky....simply keep sending them your peoples savins and leave ours alone (what little we still have left anyway)

[Gerald]

^Good one!

[Jimbuna]

One tries one's best

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

One tries one's best

As usual,

[Jimbuna]