Donald Trump made Obama release his birth certificate

[MH]

Maybe Obama wasn't really born.
He is Superman.
What a better place to land out of space than a distant island of hawaii.

[mookiemookie]

The birthers are on to him. They've discovered a picture of Obama in his true form:

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

[Penguin]

Wow...
I really feel sorry for the US: having one of the biggest budgets in the world for intelligence and not being able to hire a forger with skills that go beyond the ones of a middle-school kid...
With one click on "merge all visible layers" none of those conspiracy Illustrator "experts" would have been able to discover this "manipulation"...
And who the ---- would use a vector-based program to create a fake document, especially when you want to forge a typewriter?
Ans not starting with a blank document is also an unforgivable sin!

Working with digital gfx for 20 years can make you an expert on Photoshop, but it doesn't mean that this person has any knowledge about the technology behind it....
My mom drives a car since over 45 years, but she doesn't know ---- how a motor works, still she is a half-decent driver

Here is a video which shows that these "amazing" discoveries are nothing more than bull:

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Let me know when you get around to analyzing Cap'n Crunch's naval commission documents. I have the sneaking suspicion he's not a real Cap'n.

Aww man don't tell me I got the roof of my mouth torn to shreds for a fake!

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by August

Aww man don't tell me I got the roof of my mouth torn to shreds for a fake!

I hate to be the bearer of even more bad news, but... those Crunch Berries? Not actual berries.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I hate to be the bearer of even more bad news, but... those Crunch Berries? Not actual berries.

awwww come on

we were joking until you pointed out a true and sad fact

[frau kaleun]

They're actually the dead, shriveled testicles of every man who's ever questioned the Cap'n's service record.

[August]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

They're actually the dead, shriveled testicles of every man who's ever questioned the Cap'n's service record.

Arrr!

[magic452]

Sure glad I gave up Cap'n Crunch for lent.

Magic

[Ducimus]

The Birther's cup overflowth.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No, because there's a mountain of evidence to prove that everything's legit. Birth announcements in the newspaper from 1960 whatever, the entity that issued the original document saying "yes, this is a real and true document, shut up you birthers are crazy"...but that's all discounted because someone who opened up Photoshop didn't like what they saw? That's sketchy "evidence" at best. When you weigh the two against each other, there's really no contest. The birthers are asking someone to believe that there's a fraud on a massive scale, involving the deceased parents of the man who would be president, the hospital he was born in, the state of Hawaii all the way up to and including the entire U.S. government, and the evidence they have for that is the say-so of amateur Photoshop jockeys.

Grasping at shreds of dubious evidence and discounting every piece of evidence to the contrary, no matter what it is or how solid it is, highlights the cognitive bias in certain people and is the main reason why they should be ignored and discounted as loons.

I'm not saying he wasn't born wherever he says he was, but I am intruigued by the amount of faith you have in what you're told. You sound very certain. I do know that a birth certificate (as well as many documents stored in various courthouses around the country) are very easy targets for manipulation. I wouldn't think "fraud on a massive scale" would have been necessary 10 years ago for Obama to have his original birth certificate altered (before he was on the national stage). It would only take a small bribe to the right person. I'm not saying that's what happened, but I know it isn't anywhere near impossible. And ridiculing people who don't share your certainty over something you really no nothing about doesn't make your case stronger.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm not saying he wasn't born wherever he says he was, but I am intruigued by the amount of faith you have in what you're told. You sound very certain.

It boils down to this - which scenario is more likely? Which scenario requires less of a leap of faith to believe? What the birthers say is certainly possible but to believe it, in my mind, would be to discount some pretty heavy evidence to the contrary. One's sense of reason has to kick in at some point. I enjoy making fun of people who suppress that sense in the name of partisan politics.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

What the birthers say is certainly possible but to believe it, in my mind, would be to discount some pretty heavy evidence to the contrary.

Just curious, what heavy evidence to the contrary?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Just curious, what heavy evidence to the contrary?

The certificates themselves, contemporary birth announcements in both of the local papers back in 1961, the testimony of the Hawaiian director of the Dept of Health, the registrar of vital statistics and the Hawaiian governor et al. You can say that there was a huge conspiracy to fake documents, bribe officials, travel back in time to place the birth announcements in the paper...but then you gotta say to yourself, maybe it's easier and more likely to think that the stuff is legit.