Getting a 'sinking' feeling about SH5 - Page 10

karamazovnew · 01-14-10, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

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If the following Urban dictionary definition of Fanboy is correct....

'A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.'

..Then I think its probably fair to say that there isnt a single 'non-fanboy' on this entire forum.

How dare you include Star Wars and leave out Star Trek?!

Forgive me Spock, for this outburst of emotion. I'll now go and meditate.

Adriatico · 01-14-10, 06:32 AM

Have to open my mouth again...

At new set of screens at russian site there is visible improvement on famous "periscope screen" compared to previous one (top):
- periscope view is bit larger that previous one
- shifted more to central part of screen, instead of far right
- edges of per. seems softer with crew boy out of main sight

It already looks better, especially at large screens (feeling is better...)
***
Does it mean that heavens heard our cry ?
Or we owe this one to Neal ?
(or is it simply different product ?)
http://www.buka.ru/cgi-bin/show.pl?i...pe=screenshots

Apos · 01-14-10, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Have to open my mouth again...

At new set of screens at russian site there is visible improvement on famous "periscope screen" compared to previous one (top):
- periscope view is bit larger that previous one
- shifted more to central part of screen, instead of far right
- edges of per. seems softer with crew boy out of main sight

It already looks better, especially at large screens (feeling is better...)
***
Does it mean that heavens heard our cry ?
Or we owe this one to Neal ?
(or is it simply different product ?)
http://www.buka.ru/cgi-bin/show.pl?i...pe=screenshots

2nd pic seems to have diffrent screen resolution or smaller HUD. Anyway, those health bars remids me one thing: where are first aid kits? Ships can collect them from the air drops and restore HP?

Anyway what i have found

minimap, 3 teamkills? Or those are friendly ships sunk by Allied forces? So there will be small naval battles? 2nd thing what is interesting. Chat windows is similar to these from RPG's where u can choose answer.

Water really looks nice! Also check left top corner. Numbers tells us what type of torpedo is loaded.

Minimap scared me. I dont know what are those numbers on torpedo and ship path. Also big orange transgle has returned

Same screen as above but larger scale. I noticed there are two health bars, one is blue, second is yellow. Hmmm sinking and ship structure health points?

HMS Illustrious I think.

ps. Adriatico your link doesn't work. Here is fixed link http://buka.ru/cgi-bin/show.pl?id=487&type=screenshots

01-14-10, 11:07 AM

I'm only guessing here but I think those white circled numbers are related to torpedoes....could be torpedo range or even torpedo position number, i.e fire 3 fish and you get 3 numbers.....

If the latter is the case then destroyers appear to fire torpedoes as well!

Perhaps we should have a SubSim "guess the meaning of icons" competition.

Apos · 01-14-10, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

I'm only guessing here but I think those white circled numbers are related to torpedoes....could be torpedo range or even torpedo position number, i.e fire 3 fish and you get 3 numbers.....

If the latter is the case then destroyers appear to fire torpedoes as well!

Perhaps we should have a SubSim "guess the meaning of icons" competition.

Torpedo position markers are the same as in SHIII/IV but orange. Probably these markers shows where will be torpedo or ship after 10/20/30 seconds but i might be wrong.

Also white marker on minimap shows area of periscope view...

Anyway where is "da sim" spirit? It looks more like Battlestation Pacific for me than Silent Hunter game.

Gezoes · 01-14-10, 12:27 PM

There's something about that last large screenshot that feels right, it has a SH3 feeling

We should not jump to conclusions, we should encourage the devs at this point and feed them thoughts and ideas, especially the wonderful modders. We do need to see some dials etc... yep. But I don't think they will pull a 180 and drop the dynamic campaign or difficulty options, or something gamebreaking like that.

SH5 features a completely reworked graphical engine and exciting campaign. Experience the life of a U-boat captain, interact with your crew, evade destroyers, sink cargo in over 35 historical missions spanning the first three years of the war.

Now that's a proper nightmare

, but for now based on nothing more than maybe plankton. So lighten up y'all.

Let her leave the harbour first shall we?

01-14-10, 12:36 PM

I just thought...yeah I do that sometimes...but maybe they're waypoints.

You see normally an image speaks a 1000 words....but this GUI speaks an entirely different language!

karamazovnew · 01-14-10, 12:54 PM

WOW, that last image looks simply amazing. Focus on the planking on the right of the image... superb.

Now back to the minimap.
- the white cone is your field of view through the periscope
- the track of the torpedo is clearly shown, as is the track of the enemy ship.
- those numbers are not torpedo numbers, you can see the torpedoes as small orange lines. They've hinted on a new targeting system where numbered lines extend from both the ship and the torpedoes. To hit a target, you must overlap matching numbers. This implies a vector triangle, but in that case the numbers for the ship should be equally spaced. 0,1 and 2 are equally spaced but 3 is much further away. No idea what this means. It might mean that you're visually estimating the AOB and speed of the target. Thus the numbers might also indicate a level of accuracy, the smaller the better, or the more linear the better.
- the numbers on the torpedo tubes don't show the torpedo type, they show in Roman Numerals the number of the loaded tubes, while the arabic numerals show the percentage of loading on unloaded tubes.
- in all screenshots where the engines are stopped, we can't see yellow circels on the minimap. Thus, this must be the Hydrophone range of the enemy.
- the orange arcs represent ASDIC. one can clearly see that ships with bigger arcs of ASDIC have smaller circles of hydrophone.
- the course of the sub is shown as a thick dark line. While the compass controls haven't yet been shown, observe that there is a "closed" panel next to the engine controls. I bet that's where the rudder controls are. The reason it's closed is that the Compass might be quite big and would obstruct the minimap.

Observe that locking onto a ship opens the Weapon's officer panel. To unlock you say "never mind". Since the target hasn't been identified, he can't do any calculations... Automatic solutions are thus unavailable and the player has manual control ("shoot on my bearing"). But even so, he clearly has a way to shoot (the numbered lines).

Since this is clearly done on low difficulty levels (the ASDIC range is laughably short), I'm amazed at how complex the game can be at this level. It seems I was right in my "Dumbing down versus transparency" post.

01-14-10, 01:11 PM

Oh that all sounds very complicated karamazovnew....can't we just do 100% manual targeting instead ?

karamazovnew · 01-14-10, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

Oh that all sounds very complicated karamazovnew....can't we just do 100% manual targeting instead ?

C'mon you have to admire what they did for the newb crowd. It actually looks fun and "complicated". Plus it's based on the real procedure.
Now that you mentioned 100% manual targeting, we haven't yet seen a 100% difficulty periscope layout. I'm expecting something like this:
- the contacts on the minimap will be shown as hydrophone lines until you bring them inside the periscope FoV. Then you get a good estimate of range for tactical purposes.
- no more sensor circles.
- the Weapons Officer dialog box will have extra features. But in effect you'll be controlling the TDC through him.

I like this new minimap. Even though I'm against automatic plotting of bearing+range and a gods eye view, I'll be able to just hide it. The problem in SH3+4 was that the Nav Map also showed all the contacts allowing you to cheat and plot with the contact icons.

01-14-10, 07:37 PM

You have a good point, it has value as manual targeting "trainer" for a newb. I think GUI mods will be first on the agenda and i'm sure they'll be a few competing and popular ones made in the years to come.....before we too drift towards the evil lure of that console harlet.

01-14-10, 06:32 AM	#137
Adriatico Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: Periscope depth Posts: 860 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Have to open my mouth again... At new set of screens at russian site there is visible improvement on famous "periscope screen" compared to previous one (top): - periscope view is bit larger that previous one - shifted more to central part of screen, instead of far right - edges of per. seems softer with crew boy out of main sight It already looks better, especially at large screens (feeling is better...) *** Does it mean that heavens heard our cry ? Or we owe this one to Neal ? (or is it simply different product ?) http://www.buka.ru/cgi-bin/show.pl?i...pe=screenshots __________________ Last edited by Adriatico; 01-14-10 at 06:57 AM.

01-14-10, 12:27 PM	#141
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	There's something about that last large screenshot that feels right, it has a SH3 feeling We should not jump to conclusions, we should encourage the devs at this point and feed them thoughts and ideas, especially the wonderful modders. We do need to see some dials etc... yep. But I don't think they will pull a 180 and drop the dynamic campaign or difficulty options, or something gamebreaking like that. SH5 features a completely reworked graphical engine and exciting campaign. Experience the life of a U-boat captain, interact with your crew, evade destroyers, sink cargo in over 35 historical missions spanning the first three years of the war. Now that's a proper nightmare , but for now based on nothing more than maybe plankton. So lighten up y'all. Let her leave the harbour first shall we? __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

01-14-10, 11:07 AM	#139
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'm only guessing here but I think those white circled numbers are related to torpedoes....could be torpedo range or even torpedo position number, i.e fire 3 fish and you get 3 numbers..... If the latter is the case then destroyers appear to fire torpedoes as well! Perhaps we should have a SubSim "guess the meaning of icons" competition.

01-14-10, 12:36 PM	#142
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I just thought...yeah I do that sometimes...but maybe they're waypoints. You see normally an image speaks a 1000 words....but this GUI speaks an entirely different language!

01-14-10, 12:54 PM	#143
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	WOW, that last image looks simply amazing. Focus on the planking on the right of the image... superb. Now back to the minimap. - the white cone is your field of view through the periscope - the track of the torpedo is clearly shown, as is the track of the enemy ship. - those numbers are not torpedo numbers, you can see the torpedoes as small orange lines. They've hinted on a new targeting system where numbered lines extend from both the ship and the torpedoes. To hit a target, you must overlap matching numbers. This implies a vector triangle, but in that case the numbers for the ship should be equally spaced. 0,1 and 2 are equally spaced but 3 is much further away. No idea what this means. It might mean that you're visually estimating the AOB and speed of the target. Thus the numbers might also indicate a level of accuracy, the smaller the better, or the more linear the better. - the numbers on the torpedo tubes don't show the torpedo type, they show in Roman Numerals the number of the loaded tubes, while the arabic numerals show the percentage of loading on unloaded tubes. - in all screenshots where the engines are stopped, we can't see yellow circels on the minimap. Thus, this must be the Hydrophone range of the enemy. - the orange arcs represent ASDIC. one can clearly see that ships with bigger arcs of ASDIC have smaller circles of hydrophone. - the course of the sub is shown as a thick dark line. While the compass controls haven't yet been shown, observe that there is a "closed" panel next to the engine controls. I bet that's where the rudder controls are. The reason it's closed is that the Compass might be quite big and would obstruct the minimap. Observe that locking onto a ship opens the Weapon's officer panel. To unlock you say "never mind". Since the target hasn't been identified, he can't do any calculations... Automatic solutions are thus unavailable and the player has manual control ("shoot on my bearing"). But even so, he clearly has a way to shoot (the numbered lines). Since this is clearly done on low difficulty levels (the ASDIC range is laughably short), I'm amazed at how complex the game can be at this level. It seems I was right in my "Dumbing down versus transparency" post.

01-14-10, 01:11 PM	#144
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Oh that all sounds very complicated karamazovnew....can't we just do 100% manual targeting instead ?

01-14-10, 07:37 PM	#146
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	You have a good point, it has value as manual targeting "trainer" for a newb. I think GUI mods will be first on the agenda and i'm sure they'll be a few competing and popular ones made in the years to come.....before we too drift towards the evil lure of that console harlet.