He hoped the network would balance negative portrayals of Muslims

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The key here is there is no love and compassion and forgiveness in the islamic faith.

On this note I gotta make a little interjection Cap, because it is according to the teachings of Mohammed compulsory to offer your home, your best food, and clothing to a traveller who comes to your door looking for shelter.

Now I'm not saying that its a very commonplace event nowadays, but its a misconception about Islam that it is all based on hate. Just as the misconception stands with Christianity being all based on forgiveness - Sodom and Gomorrah, Noah's flood...

At the end of the day, if there hypothetically was a god, I've got no doubt he'd be cringing daily from our actions in 'his/hers/its' name.

The crazy thing about the 3 main religions is this - they all worship the same bloke! all 3 share common traits, all 3 share common prophets - the differences are, theologically, quite small. The big differences arise from a few power-hungry individuals who decided to take these ideas and turn them into something for their own purpose. As is the case with anything new, if it is enforced for long enough it becomes the standard accepted practise.

its a real shame if you ask me, that these religions were hijacked, because if people opened their eyes, they'd realise that despite seperate methods of worship, they're all believing in the one bloke - about half the world's population...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Although the just requital of an injustice is an equivalent retribution those that pardon shall be rewarded by God ....
thats forgiveness isn't it , pardoning an injustice
Patience and forgiveness reflect a true strength of character...
Wow that forgiveness stuff must mean you are a real bad Muslim eh .

Ok first off - If your going to quote something - quote it correctly.

"Although the just requital for an injustice is an equivalent retribution, those who pardon and maintain righteousness are rewarded by GOD"

The key words you left out being "and maintain righteousness" - which given their place is a directive to forgive a wrongdoing whenever doing so does not decrease your own righteous standing before your god. Thats not moderate considering your neighbor can cast of the tyrannical yoke of Islam and its your DUTY to go kill him according to the Quran. If Islam didn't try and define everything outside of its own determined path as a theological sin, then that would be one thing. Unfortunately - its beholdeness to violence when its theology is questioned, demonstrates my point. The fact that it has no ability to respect any other view than its own is why it cannot be considered moderate in any way.

Next time - try to argue without telling half-truths - you might get a bit farther. After all - a half truth - is a whole lie.

[CaptainHaplo]

Baggy - I am not saying that Islam has no redeeming parts - but please note that what your referring to also is only to occur if the traveller or whatnot is also MUSLIM. Any person of another religion is persecuted - not respected. That is one major difference between Islam and the other major world religions in their forms today.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Wow bare legs thats bad, do you also have concerns with religions that have a thing about bare legs , arms or heads ?
I bet those Sikhs really get on your tits when it comes to helmets:rotfl:

Look pussy, i dont think military is the place for things that separate, the idea is to bond together. That goes even for shorts and especially helmets that are part of personal protective equipment. It just isnt your choice to make, be it a religious or some weird fashion satement, it could danger other people also. I dont think anyone cares what people believe in their own time. But when the prayers or turbans start to affect the service it becomes a problem and i think such religions are simply stupid.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

No use trying to squirm out, you havent posted anything.

Every academic will get critics if he ever produces anything, thats kind of the point.
Could you be more specific about those damning critics you have spoken about?
The people that have presented them and their arguments?

Still waiting.

[Platapus]

The US military makes reasonable accommodation for other religions. If a Muslim wants to wear sweats instead of shorts, I don't think that will cause the downfall of American society.

Look pussy, i dont think military is the place for things that separate

So everyone must not only be of the same faith they must also be of the same denomination .:rotfl:
Hey you better tell them Ghurkas too , its about time they spoke english like the rest of the British army and its time to get rid of their silly knives because the rest of the army don't have them .And as for those Scots with their skirts , how dare they not fit in with troosers like the rest of the army ,damn all those cultural differences eh .

The key words you left out being "and maintain righteousness"

The key words ? doesn't that link to the hypocrit passage about Jews and Christians who do not follow their own righteous teachings ?
Come to think of it with all the talk of the other righteous followers of the books doesn't that undermine your whole ....

The fact that it has no ability to respect any other view than its own is why it cannot be considered moderate in any way.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Baggy - I am not saying that Islam has no redeeming parts - but please note that what your referring to also is only to occur if the traveller or whatnot is also MUSLIM. Any person of another religion is persecuted - not respected. That is one major difference between Islam and the other major world religions in their forms today.

Interesting...

Obviously we (or our sources) have different interpretations. I was under the impression that it was for any traveller regardless of their religion.

Anyone else see the problem here? 1 rule, 2 vastly different interpretations. This is why we'll keep doing this and not this

[Happy Times]

So everyone must not only be of the same faith they must also be of the same denomination .:rotfl:
Hey you better tell them Ghurkas too , its about time they spoke english like the rest of the British army and its time to get rid of their silly knives because the rest of the army don't have them .And as for those Scots with their skirts , how dare they not fit in with troosers like the rest of the army ,damn all those cultural differences eh

You really are thick.
The Gurkhas have all the same knives and the Scots have the same skirts, they are separate units. Like i said before, personal beliefs are personal matter. Only when your religion demands special treatment during service it comes a problem. Praying five times during the day or wearing a turban would be difficult to cater for in every situation.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Still waiting.

Waiting.

You really are thick

:rotfl:
Do you even realise what you have written ?
You cannot have jews , christian , muslims , hindus ,sihks or bhuddists in the same unit , neither can you have 7th day baptists with other baptists or adventists with catholics , and lets not even get onto orthodox and reformist .
You really are a classic.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Still waiting.
Waiting.

http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_ar...nr-1109/i.html

http://www.erudit.org/revue/ps/2002/v21/n2/000477ar.pdf

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...LLKK5jOM0hpSac

http://www.ces.fas.harvard.edu/confe...arakasoglu.pdf


(About 40 seconds on google scholar...you should try it sometime)

[Schroeder]

And as for those Scots with their skirts

Actually they are called Kilts....

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Actually they are called Kilts....

yes, but note Tribesman's location - Eire, Ireland, traditional enemy of the Scots. That's not a demeaning, generalised, racist comment in calling them skirts, is it?

As for the little sidetrack about military service and religion, well hell, I'm sure that anyone who joins the military recognises that they will have to make allowances - just as the military will make some allowances for them! We had a muslim in my training platoon during basic - he too wore pants not shorts, but he didnt pray 5 times a day as was his custom. Our platoon commander asked him about that, and his response was "well in a shooting war the enemy is hardly going to wait for you while you get on your knees and pray for half an hour".

He got by. A little bit of give and take, and then voila, you got your balance right there.

yes, but note Tribesman's location - Eire, Ireland, traditional enemy of the Scots.

Better tell the Scots, a lot of them think England is their traditional enemy .

That's not a demeaning, generalised, racist comment in calling them skirts, is it?

demeaning ? yes , unless you are one of those scottish soldiers who likes the "devils in skirts" tag
racist ? :rotfl:
http://www.military.ie/army/specialists/music/pipes.htm
Perhaps you didn't realise that elements of the IDF also wear them as do elements of Irish regiments in the British army .
And hey why don't these aussie soldiers wear trousers too ?
http://www.army.gov.au/ASOD/index.htm
Them skirts get all over the world don't they