UK Politics Thread part II

Gorpet · 12-19-22, 11:29 PM

Is it true? UK Special Forces frogmen are sinking Rubber boats coming from France? Now this on top of inquires about the same forces killing innocent Afghans.Look only Americans do a canoe shot...Maybe? Well ya know,when you are crawling on the stinking ground,living with the stinking bodies and the next 30 feet when you poke your head up.. oh ****!
The Politician He his Wife and His Oldest son and Daughter, sure will not be there with you.To smell the copper that the ground soaks up.Why can't all of our politicians children experience the decisions their parents make?

In WW2 they were called watermelon shots.And every soldier on either side who wanted to live was a participant.

Jimbuna · 12-20-22, 07:43 AM

Rishi Sunak refusing to budge on pay as strike action escalates

By Kate Whannel
Political reporter, BBC News

Rishi Sunak has insisted he will not back down against striking workers, as nurses walk out in England, Northern Ireland and Wales for a second day.

Nurses' union boss Pat Cullen has urged the prime minister to resolve the crisis before Christmas.

But there is no sign of a breakthrough between the sides.

The prime minister told The Mail he would rather accept widespread disruption than increase workers' pay, which he says would fuel inflation.

The UK is facing its biggest week of industrial strikes in recent history in the run up to Christmas, with ambulance workers, customs and immigration staff, bus drivers and postal workers all staging walk outs.

The armed forces have been drafted in to cover some jobs - but concern is growing about Wednesday's ambulance drivers strike in England and Wales, with a health minister warning people to avoid "risky activity".

Workers are calling for higher pay to help them cope with the rising cost of living, but there are also additional disputes over working conditions.

Mr Sunak is facing calls to reopen talks on nurses' pay and deal with the growing wave of strikes across the public services.

But he told The Mail: "I'm going to do what I think is right for the long-term interests of the country - combating inflation."

Ministers have also argued it would be wrong to unpick the wage levels, which were set by the pay review bodies earlier this year.

The prime minister said unions should instead focus on future pay negotiations adding: "We do need to think about what's the right approach for next year."

There are two things I can see as potential olive branches here.

One is some sort of one-off payment to recognise the cost of living pressures.

Downing Street has been playing that down over the past 24 hours, saying it's certainly not on the table at the moment.

The other thing which the government keeps talking about is next year's pay deal and perhaps some movement on that - some tinkering of how that could be calculated.

But that's not good enough for the unions.

I've asked a lot of people in government over the last few days what the end game is for the government and I don't think there's a clear answer, apart from hoping that the unions end up accepting the current deal and then get back around the table to discuss a new deal for next year.

Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, Ms Cullen said she was "truly sorry" for every patient who would have their care disrupted during Tuesday's strikes.

"We would negotiate with government - again we won't dig in if they don't dig in.

"But we have no opportunity to do that because we can't get to a table to talk to government."

In a statement released ahead of the strikes, Ms Cullen said she believed the dispute could get "wrapped up by Christmas" if ministers engaged with union talks.

However, she warned that if the government wasn't "prepared to do the right thing" her union would have "no choice" but to continue striking in January.

The Royal College of Nursing has called for a 19% pay rise (5% above the RPI inflation rate) but the government has said this is unaffordable.

Ambulance staff - who are set to walk out on Wednesday - also want above-inflation pay rises, but have not set a specific figure.

Health Secretary Steve Barclay is due to meet health unions, however it is expected these talks will not touch on pay, but rather focus on how emergency care will be provided during the strikes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64037292

Skybird · 12-20-22, 08:21 AM

Come and meet Mr. and Mrs. Inflation. You will not leave them as the person you were when you met them.

Jimbuna · 12-20-22, 08:25 AM

Even more so when there is no credible opposition waiting in the wings.

Catfish · 12-20-22, 03:06 PM

Was told by a friend who just came back from Wales (lives in Germany now) that the price for one piece of butter is at 4,5 pounds ? This is ~ 5 Euro?!
Inflation here is also running high, but it is for a major part artificial, lots of companies raise prices and jump the train; there never was a better excuse for rip offs

And do not expect prices will fall back when the situation gets back to normal

Skybird · 12-20-22, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

And do not expect prices will fall back when the situation gets back to normal

Dont worry, the Bundesbank yesterday announced it expects (=hopes for) "normal inflation" again not before 2025.
According to Skybird they got promoted to the ranks of "optimist" for that.
And there never is something normal about inflation. Its always politically, artificially wanted, to do away with state debts made by politicians.

Catfish · 12-20-22, 04:34 PM

State debts, wars and any "real" inflation reasons can be understood, what i HATE is all the companies jumping the bandwagon because everything is obviously made in Ukraine or China, from screws to butter. All good capitalism of course. F'n copycats and freeloaders!

I already posted this in the prepper thread:

Jimbuna · 12-21-22, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Was told by a friend who just came back from Wales (lives in Germany now) that the price for one piece of butter is at 4,5 pounds ? This is ~ 5 Euro?!
Inflation here is also running high, but it is for a major part artificial, lots of companies raise prices and jump the train; there never was a better excuse for rip offs

And do not expect prices will fall back when the situation gets back to normal

True that

les green01 · 12-21-22, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

True that

sounds like you need to make your owned

Jimbuna · 12-22-22, 08:28 AM

UK economy shrank more than previously thought

The UK economy shrank by more than first thought in the three months to September, revised figures show.

The economy contracted by 0.3%, compared with a previous estimate of 0.2%, as business investment performed worse than first thought, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

Growth figures for the first half of 2022 have also been revised down.

The UK is forecast to fall into recession in the final three months of the year as soaring prices hit growth.

A country is considered to be in recession when its economy shrinks for two three-month periods - or quarters - in a row. Typically companies make less money, pay falls and unemployment rises, leaving the government with less money in tax to use on public services.

Darren Morgan, director of economic statistics at the ONS, said: "Our revised figures show the economy performed slightly less well over the last year than we previously estimated", with manufacturing "notably weaker".

He added that household incomes, when accounting for rising prices, continued to fall, and household spending "fell for the first time since the final Covid-19 lockdown in the spring of 2021".

The ONS said that gross domestic product (GDP) - the measure of the size of the economy - was now estimated to be 0.8% below where it was before the pandemic struck, downwardly revised from the previous estimate of 0.4% below.

The economy has been hit as surging energy and food prices push inflation - the rate at which prices rise - to its highest level in 40 years.

It means that consumers are spending less and businesses are cutting investment.

Along with its revision for the July-to-September period, the ONS said the economy also grew less than first estimated in the first half of the year - expanding by 0.6% in the first quarter and 0.1% in the second quarter.

The ONS has previously said growth stood at 0.7% and 0.2% in those quarters respectively.

It is not unusual for the ONS to revise its growth estimates. It produces a first estimate of GDP about 40 days after the quarter in question, at which point only about 60% of the data is available, so the figure is revised later as more information comes in.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64062548

12-19-22, 11:29 PM	#1
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 772 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Is it true? UK Special Forces frogmen are sinking Rubber boats coming from France? Now this on top of inquires about the same forces killing innocent Afghans.Look only Americans do a canoe shot...Maybe? Well ya know,when you are crawling on the stinking ground,living with the stinking bodies and the next 30 feet when you poke your head up.. oh ***! The Politician He his Wife and His Oldest son and Daughter, sure will not be there with you.To smell the copper that the ground soaks up.Why can't all of our politicians children experience the decisions their parents make? In WW2 they were called watermelon shots.And every soldier on either side who wanted to live was a participant. Last edited by Gorpet; 12-19-22 at 11:53 PM.*

12-20-22, 07:43 AM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,691 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Rishi Sunak refusing to budge on pay as strike action escalates By Kate Whannel Political reporter, BBC News Rishi Sunak has insisted he will not back down against striking workers, as nurses walk out in England, Northern Ireland and Wales for a second day. Nurses' union boss Pat Cullen has urged the prime minister to resolve the crisis before Christmas. But there is no sign of a breakthrough between the sides. The prime minister told The Mail he would rather accept widespread disruption than increase workers' pay, which he says would fuel inflation. The UK is facing its biggest week of industrial strikes in recent history in the run up to Christmas, with ambulance workers, customs and immigration staff, bus drivers and postal workers all staging walk outs. The armed forces have been drafted in to cover some jobs - but concern is growing about Wednesday's ambulance drivers strike in England and Wales, with a health minister warning people to avoid "risky activity". Workers are calling for higher pay to help them cope with the rising cost of living, but there are also additional disputes over working conditions. Mr Sunak is facing calls to reopen talks on nurses' pay and deal with the growing wave of strikes across the public services. But he told The Mail: "I'm going to do what I think is right for the long-term interests of the country - combating inflation." Ministers have also argued it would be wrong to unpick the wage levels, which were set by the pay review bodies earlier this year. The prime minister said unions should instead focus on future pay negotiations adding: "We do need to think about what's the right approach for next year." There are two things I can see as potential olive branches here. One is some sort of one-off payment to recognise the cost of living pressures. Downing Street has been playing that down over the past 24 hours, saying it's certainly not on the table at the moment. The other thing which the government keeps talking about is next year's pay deal and perhaps some movement on that - some tinkering of how that could be calculated. But that's not good enough for the unions. I've asked a lot of people in government over the last few days what the end game is for the government and I don't think there's a clear answer, apart from hoping that the unions end up accepting the current deal and then get back around the table to discuss a new deal for next year. Speaking to the BBC's Today programme, Ms Cullen said she was "truly sorry" for every patient who would have their care disrupted during Tuesday's strikes. "We would negotiate with government - again we won't dig in if they don't dig in. "But we have no opportunity to do that because we can't get to a table to talk to government." In a statement released ahead of the strikes, Ms Cullen said she believed the dispute could get "wrapped up by Christmas" if ministers engaged with union talks. However, she warned that if the government wasn't "prepared to do the right thing" her union would have "no choice" but to continue striking in January. The Royal College of Nursing has called for a 19% pay rise (5% above the RPI inflation rate) but the government has said this is unaffordable. Ambulance staff - who are set to walk out on Wednesday - also want above-inflation pay rises, but have not set a specific figure. Health Secretary Steve Barclay is due to meet health unions, however it is expected these talks will not touch on pay, but rather focus on how emergency care will be provided during the strikes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64037292 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-20-22, 08:21 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,704 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Come and meet Mr. and Mrs. Inflation. You will not leave them as the person you were when you met them. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-20-22, 08:25 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,691 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Even more so when there is no credible opposition waiting in the wings. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

12-20-22, 03:06 PM	#5
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,923 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Was told by a friend who just came back from Wales (lives in Germany now) that the price for one piece of butter is at 4,5 pounds ? This is ~ 5 Euro?! Inflation here is also running high, but it is for a major part artificial, lots of companies raise prices and jump the train; there never was a better excuse for rip offs And do not expect prices will fall back when the situation gets back to normal __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-20-22, 04:34 PM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,923 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	State debts, wars and any "real" inflation reasons can be understood, what i HATE is all the companies jumping the bandwagon because everything is obviously made in Ukraine or China, from screws to butter. All good capitalism of course. F'n copycats and freeloaders! I already posted this in the prepper thread: __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-22-22, 08:28 AM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,691 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	UK economy shrank more than previously thought The UK economy shrank by more than first thought in the three months to September, revised figures show. The economy contracted by 0.3%, compared with a previous estimate of 0.2%, as business investment performed worse than first thought, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said. Growth figures for the first half of 2022 have also been revised down. The UK is forecast to fall into recession in the final three months of the year as soaring prices hit growth. A country is considered to be in recession when its economy shrinks for two three-month periods - or quarters - in a row. Typically companies make less money, pay falls and unemployment rises, leaving the government with less money in tax to use on public services. Darren Morgan, director of economic statistics at the ONS, said: "Our revised figures show the economy performed slightly less well over the last year than we previously estimated", with manufacturing "notably weaker". He added that household incomes, when accounting for rising prices, continued to fall, and household spending "fell for the first time since the final Covid-19 lockdown in the spring of 2021". The ONS said that gross domestic product (GDP) - the measure of the size of the economy - was now estimated to be 0.8% below where it was before the pandemic struck, downwardly revised from the previous estimate of 0.4% below. The economy has been hit as surging energy and food prices push inflation - the rate at which prices rise - to its highest level in 40 years. It means that consumers are spending less and businesses are cutting investment. Along with its revision for the July-to-September period, the ONS said the economy also grew less than first estimated in the first half of the year - expanding by 0.6% in the first quarter and 0.1% in the second quarter. The ONS has previously said growth stood at 0.7% and 0.2% in those quarters respectively. It is not unusual for the ONS to revise its growth estimates. It produces a first estimate of GDP about 40 days after the quarter in question, at which point only about 60% of the data is available, so the figure is revised later as more information comes in. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64062548 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)