How to best prepare for MNW?

Zanshin · 12-06-22, 04:41 PM

Hi all,

I've very casually dabbled with 688i, Sub Command, Dangerous Waters, Cold Waters, and CMO on and off over the years, and have recently gotten the submarine bug again. This time, I've combined some dabbling with some reading: Blind Man's Bluff, Dark Waters, Surface at the Pole, The Ice Diaries, Cold Choices, Attack of the Seawolf, The Hunt for Red October, etc.

I'm a pilot and a huge fan of civilian aviation sims. I like realism, and depth, and studying huge manuals. I've shied away from getting serious about submarine sims because I know it's a slippery slope and I just haven't had the time. But dammit, now MNW is calling ...

With playing MNW as a goal once it's released, what do you think is the best way to prepare? I'm looking for a "syllabus" of sorts ... what to read, what to play, etc.

I have a big pile of recommended documents from SubGuru.com. I know about the Fleet Oceanographic and Acoustic Reference Manual and Fleet Tactics and Naval Operations. I haven't read any of it yet.

I have Dangerous Waters, Sub Command, 688i, Cold Waters, and CMO.

I've saved lots of Dangerous Waters videos (including FPSchazly's tutorials) to my "Watch Later" list on YouTube.

If my goal to be ready to dive into MNW when it's eventually released, what would you recommend between now and then? What's essential? What if time was no object (it is, of course, but just for thoroughness ... what if it wasn't)?

I've seen the second page of Notfallmappe_v06.pdf ("How to learn Dangerous Waters Efficiently") ... I'm looking for an updated, more thorough version of that which (maybe) includes DW mods and other games and mods (Cold Waters, CMO's submarine DLC, etc.) too, if it makes sense.

I'm asking not just for myself, but for all the non-sub simmers out there who have seen the MNW videos and are excited, but don't know where to begin. Instead of bemoaning the wait, what could/should we do to best pass the time?

I have my own inclinations, but I'm curious what the experienced folks here think.

Thanks!

Ghost Dog · 12-07-22, 11:38 AM

Play some Dangerous Waters, perhaps using the Reinforce Alert mod. Its buggy but adds much more to the base game. Play some Cold Waters with the Epic Mod. Play some CMO, the Silent Service DLC has some interesting historical and fictional submarine missions. CMO Live Pole Positions is also a huge arctic submarine scenario, playable from both sides. CMO might lack some of the fidelity of a simulation like Dangerous Waters, but it gives a better idea of how modern submarines are used to achieve larger goals. There's also some really good submarine documentaries and videos on YouTube, too numerous to list.

Aktungbby · 12-07-22, 11:48 AM

Zanshin!

What do you fly?

FPSchazly · 12-09-22, 10:07 PM

Just play, have fun. Read stuff that sounds interesting, play stuff that looks interesting. Submarine books and movies can be very exciting to read and watch but I don't think they taught me much of anything of how to play these games (that's not their point). Anyway, Modern Naval Warfare is going to be so much more detailed than any other modern sub game out there that we're all going to have a bit of a learning curve when we start

asleepwater · 12-09-22, 10:22 PM

Dangerous Waters is a very nice game and I want MNW to be very hardcore. I suggest DW.

zachanscom · 12-09-22, 11:24 PM

nothing compares so how will you prepare? this will be a totally new in depth sub sim experience

Zanshin · 12-14-22, 02:44 AM

Thanks folks, that makes a lot of sense: have some fun while waiting and prepare for a learning curve, not for mastery out of the gate. The learning curve is much of the fun with sims, so I'm glad to hear even you guys think there will be one.

FPSchazly, your videos have been a huge help. Thanks for all the effort! (Edit: I just watched your latest video .... congrats on the writing role. Can't wait to read that manual.)

Aktungbby, I'm just an instrument-rated private pilot and I haven't flown PIC in a loooooong while. But I do aviation-related writing and instructional design, and I use sim software every day, so I get my fix.

FPSchazly · 12-18-22, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Zanshin

Thanks folks, that makes a lot of sense: have some fun while waiting and prepare for a learning curve, not for mastery out of the gate. The learning curve is much of the fun with sims, so I'm glad to hear even you guys think there will be one.

FPSchazly, your videos have been a huge help. Thanks for all the effort! (Edit: I just watched your latest video .... congrats on the writing role. Can't wait to read that manual.)

Aktungbby, I'm just an instrument-rated private pilot and I haven't flown PIC in a loooooong while. But I do aviation-related writing and instructional design, and I use sim software every day, so I get my fix.

Thank you, glad to help! I'm hoping with Modern Naval Warfare I can get into some more advanced tutorials.

TopTorp '92 · 01-02-23, 11:24 PM

Just have fun with it...
Each brings a perspective to the game.
I for one was an FTG1. So, sonar and fire control will play the deciding role for me. How will the Attack Party deal with submerged contacts? Computer Automated crew members? Snap Shots? Quick Dives? Rapid Reloads? Submarine houskeeping like pumping/blowing bilges at inconvenient times, and what about clearing the broadcast? Don't forget collision imminent.
The screenshots I see look good. Like the sonar display looks reasonably realistic. I cannot wait to experience game play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zanshin

Hi all,

I've very casually dabbled with 688i, Sub Command, Dangerous Waters, Cold Waters, and CMO on and off over the years, and have recently gotten the submarine bug again. This time, I've combined some dabbling with some reading: Blind Man's Bluff, Dark Waters, Surface at the Pole, The Ice Diaries, Cold Choices, Attack of the Seawolf, The Hunt for Red October, etc.

I'm a pilot and a huge fan of civilian aviation sims. I like realism, and depth, and studying huge manuals. I've shied away from getting serious about submarine sims because I know it's a slippery slope and I just haven't had the time. But dammit, now MNW is calling ...

With playing MNW as a goal once it's released, what do you think is the best way to prepare? I'm looking for a "syllabus" of sorts ... what to read, what to play, etc.

I have a big pile of recommended documents from SubGuru.com. I know about the Fleet Oceanographic and Acoustic Reference Manual and Fleet Tactics and Naval Operations. I haven't read any of it yet.

I have Dangerous Waters, Sub Command, 688i, Cold Waters, and CMO.

I've saved lots of Dangerous Waters videos (including FPSchazly's tutorials) to my "Watch Later" list on YouTube.

If my goal to be ready to dive into MNW when it's eventually released, what would you recommend between now and then? What's essential? What if time was no object (it is, of course, but just for thoroughness ... what if it wasn't)?

I've seen the second page of Notfallmappe_v06.pdf ("How to learn Dangerous Waters Efficiently") ... I'm looking for an updated, more thorough version of that which (maybe) includes DW mods and other games and mods (Cold Waters, CMO's submarine DLC, etc.) too, if it makes sense.

I'm asking not just for myself, but for all the non-sub simmers out there who have seen the MNW videos and are excited, but don't know where to begin. Instead of bemoaning the wait, what could/should we do to best pass the time?

I have my own inclinations, but I'm curious what the experienced folks here think.

Thanks!

Aktungbby · 01-03-23, 02:02 AM

asleepwater!

Kapitan · 01-04-23, 08:21 PM

The handbook of submarine operations by P R Franklin is a good read

ISBN 978-93-85699-01-06

https://www.amazon.ca/Handbook-Subma.../dp/9385699016

UglyMowgli · 01-06-23, 12:21 PM

You can also read those 3 books, to see how the other side will go after you.

12-06-22, 04:41 PM	#1
Zanshin Nub Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 2 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	How to best prepare for MNW? Hi all, I've very casually dabbled with 688i, Sub Command, Dangerous Waters, Cold Waters, and CMO on and off over the years, and have recently gotten the submarine bug again. This time, I've combined some dabbling with some reading: Blind Man's Bluff, Dark Waters, Surface at the Pole, The Ice Diaries, Cold Choices, Attack of the Seawolf, The Hunt for Red October, etc. I'm a pilot and a huge fan of civilian aviation sims. I like realism, and depth, and studying huge manuals. I've shied away from getting serious about submarine sims because I know it's a slippery slope and I just haven't had the time. But dammit, now MNW is calling ... With playing MNW as a goal once it's released, what do you think is the best way to prepare? I'm looking for a "syllabus" of sorts ... what to read, what to play, etc. I have a big pile of recommended documents from SubGuru.com. I know about the Fleet Oceanographic and Acoustic Reference Manual and Fleet Tactics and Naval Operations. I haven't read any of it yet. I have Dangerous Waters, Sub Command, 688i, Cold Waters, and CMO. I've saved lots of Dangerous Waters videos (including FPSchazly's tutorials) to my "Watch Later" list on YouTube. If my goal to be ready to dive into MNW when it's eventually released, what would you recommend between now and then? What's essential? What if time was no object (it is, of course, but just for thoroughness ... what if it wasn't)? I've seen the second page of Notfallmappe_v06.pdf ("How to learn Dangerous Waters Efficiently") ... I'm looking for an updated, more thorough version of that which (maybe) includes DW mods and other games and mods (Cold Waters, CMO's submarine DLC, etc.) too, if it makes sense. I'm asking not just for myself, but for all the non-sub simmers out there who have seen the MNW videos and are excited, but don't know where to begin. Instead of bemoaning the wait, what could/should we do to best pass the time? I have my own inclinations, but I'm curious what the experienced folks here think. Thanks! Last edited by Zanshin; 12-06-22 at 05:23 PM.

12-07-22, 11:38 AM	#2
Ghost Dog Planesman Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Olympus Mons, Mars Posts: 184 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 0	Play some Dangerous Waters, perhaps using the Reinforce Alert mod. Its buggy but adds much more to the base game. Play some Cold Waters with the Epic Mod. Play some CMO, the Silent Service DLC has some interesting historical and fictional submarine missions. CMO Live Pole Positions is also a huge arctic submarine scenario, playable from both sides. CMO might lack some of the fidelity of a simulation like Dangerous Waters, but it gives a better idea of how modern submarines are used to achieve larger goals. There's also some really good submarine documentaries and videos on YouTube, too numerous to list. __________________ free image host

12-07-22, 11:48 AM	#3
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 28,842 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! Zanshin! What do you fly? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

12-09-22, 10:07 PM	#4
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 774 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	Just play, have fun. Read stuff that sounds interesting, play stuff that looks interesting. Submarine books and movies can be very exciting to read and watch but I don't think they taught me much of anything of how to play these games (that's not their point). Anyway, Modern Naval Warfare is going to be so much more detailed than any other modern sub game out there that we're all going to have a bit of a learning curve when we start __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

12-14-22, 02:44 AM	#7
Zanshin Nub Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 2 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Thanks folks, that makes a lot of sense: have some fun while waiting and prepare for a learning curve, not for mastery out of the gate. The learning curve is much of the fun with sims, so I'm glad to hear even you guys think there will be one. FPSchazly, your videos have been a huge help. Thanks for all the effort! (Edit: I just watched your latest video .... congrats on the writing role. Can't wait to read that manual.) Aktungbby, I'm just an instrument-rated private pilot and I haven't flown PIC in a loooooong while. But I do aviation-related writing and instructional design, and I use sim software every day, so I get my fix. Last edited by Zanshin; 12-14-22 at 03:02 AM.

12-09-22, 10:22 PM	#5
asleepwater Swabbie Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Mainland Posts: 12 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Dangerous Waters is a very nice game and I want MNW to be very hardcore. I suggest DW.

12-09-22, 11:24 PM	#6
zachanscom Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 133 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	nothing compares so how will you prepare? this will be a totally new in depth sub sim experience

01-03-23, 02:02 AM	#10
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 28,842 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	welcome aboard! asleepwater! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

01-04-23, 08:21 PM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,113 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 7	The handbook of submarine operations by P R Franklin is a good read ISBN 978-93-85699-01-06 https://www.amazon.ca/Handbook-Subma.../dp/9385699016 __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

01-06-23, 12:21 PM	#12
UglyMowgli Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 781 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	You can also read those 3 books, to see how the other side will go after you.