UK Politics Thread part II

[Moonlight]

It won't be long before the Tories self-implode and Bozo has been the root cause of it, any cabinet minister flying their flag on Bozo's flagpole won't be on the front bench much longer either, I can see Mad Nad aka (Nadine Dorries) holding on to Boris's flagpole until the very end, misplaced loyalty has always been Nad's downfall.

@Catfish, the UK has left the EU so why on earth are you bringing Brexit up once again, goodness me you Germans didn't keep moaning when things were tough in the old days, no, they usually gave their military some hardware and told them to give their protagonists a bleeding slap.

Get some politicians with some backbone and put Germany back on the map again, if you start kicking those frogs heads in again I might even buy you a LEOPARD 2 A7 + for Christmas.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

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@Catfish, the UK has left the EU so why on earth are you bringing Brexit up once again,

The referendum of the UK unity had explicitly claimed that the whole UK would remain in the EU, which was a guarantee and one of the main reasons Scotland voted for remaining in the UK and against scottish independence.

"In 2016, the UK voted, by 51.89% to 48.11% to leave the EU.
Scotland, on the other hand, voted 62% to 38% to remain.
Scotland, the SNP and others argued, was being “dragged out” of Europe against its will.
The links between Europe and Scotland have always seemed strong, and the attitude towards the EU, especially the political attitudes, more positive. The SNP has always argued that Brexit represents significant constitutional change for the UK, and is therefore a reason to hold another referendum."

You know what happened next.

But do not fear, even a new referendum will most probably not bring Scotland to leave the UK even now

Get some politicians with some backbone and put Germany back on the map again,

I wonder who's people are more disgusted of their respective head of state in the moment, England or Germany
Just of all the greens Habeck and Baerbock seem to have some faint knowledge of what they are doing, but they still have to put out the fires that stem back from the 1990ies, and deal with the crash of some recent gas treaties with an.. unfriendly nation.

if you start kicking those frogs heads in again I might even buy you a LEOPARD 2 A7 + for Christmas.

Promised? I'm so excited
But on second thought better working together with France, no one can afford an invasion with those fuel prices..

And before i am accused of being a "natzi"[sic!] again by August or whoever, this was meant as a joke even if i did not put 27 smilies behind it

[Skybird]

You know how majority votes work, Catfish. Scotland was and still is part of the UK and thus it's counts was added to the general count. That side of the count lost. Period. Scotland is in the same boat together with the others.

Say, a given city voted against Brexit 57 to 43. This now is not subject to Brexit...? The minority that lost a vote is not subject to the vote's outcome?

As long as Scotland is part of the UK, it is subject to any such voting result that is held across all parts of the UK. Referendum, whatever.

This is becoming repetitive, Catfish. Let it be, you have an undefendable cause there. The minority that lost a vote has no claim to make that it should be treated as if it had won it. A referendum on indepedence and a referendum on Brexit were and are two totally different things technically isolated from each other.

And as a German you and me should be happy that Scotland is not yet in the EU. Our economy is fundamentally degenerating, if you have not noticed it, and the counterfeit currency system we call Euro is exploding in slow motion right into our faces. The last thing we need is ever more hungry mouths at the table that demand to be fed at our expenses. We have very big, deep worries ourselves already, and they are existentially threatening. Nothing against the Scots, but they would not be of help, are net takers , not net donators.
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And Habeck, he is a blender, a brilliantly talking "Menschenfänger". But he has no real clue, nor has anyone else in this carricature of an administration filled with incompetent "Quotenweibchen" and attention-craving "Alphabubis". Last May - three months after the beginning of the war ! - Habeck did not mind that germany burnt more of its precious gas for creating electrical power than in any May before since WW2 - record!. And for pure ideological reasons him and the Greens still completely reject any tlak on nculear power and extending the timne for the last three ones. The Greens want ecology only second anyway, they always more were about destroying the burgoise society and replacing it with something far more left-leaning and anti-German. And it is like this since they started as the GAL in West-Berlin. The whole energy revolution they intend to enforce ignores hard facts from reality, economic possbilities and worse: the impossibilities, what is not according to their textbook is completely ignored by them.

Its not just the war and inflation. Even without these we would hit the wall that we currently fall towards at maximum velocity. Have you recently tried to buy heaters? Coal, firewood, petroleum? I know how the martket looked last years, since I bought then. And I know how it looks right now. The supply is down by felt and perceived 90% or more. Refined petroleum of highest cleaning grade 5 (odour-free, that means), is practically impossible to get at Amazon or ebay and three distributors I checked. The stuff you still get, stinks. Delivery times: 2 weeks says the one, several weeks says the other, minimum 2 months said the third.

Kazachstan's oil does not get transported by Russia anymore, news opf this morning. Putin strikes at both Kazachstan (which did not follow Putin into the war, and objects to it), and Europe. After the gas gets shut down, now Russian oil exports will be reduced and finally ended. At the same time it gets reportet that Habeck lied about how much dependencies have been cut already, both gas and oil. They are still significantly higher than he claimed.

It will become a very non-nice winter. Cold, and very ruinous. Extremely ruinous.

[Catfish]

^ this may all be or not, but what Scotland or at least a good part of it feels is that their were betrayed with the UK by leaving the EU, fuelling the new indyref debates.
During the indyref1 a poll revealed that "retention of the pound sterling was the deciding factor for those who voted No, while "disaffection with Westminster politics" was the deciding factor for those who voted Yes"
I do not think that the satisfaction with Westminster has risen much since then.

Of course if Scotland would apply for a EU membership, Spain could block that amid fears of repercussions with separatist movements in Catalonia and the Basque Country.
But I do no think that it will happen anyway, one reason being Johnson will simply not agree to a new referendum.

[Skybird]

Quote of the day :

"The sinking ship flees the rat." (some Labour pawn whose name I dont care to remember).

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Quote of the day :

"The sinking ship flees the rat." (some Labour pawn whose name I dont care to remember).

Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition Labour Party

[Jimbuna]