Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

Commander Wallace · 05-28-20, 07:00 AM

4 Minneapolis police officers have been fired after video emerged of the 4 responding to a police call and killing an already restrained man. Riots and protests have been ongoing for the last 2 days in the Minneapolis and Los Angeles area .

Murder charges are expected to be filed in the coming days against these 4 officers.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...story-n1215691

vienna · 05-28-20, 07:16 AM

Saw the above video on TV; the local Los Angeles stations have been showing other videos of the same incident taken by surveillance and security cameras in the area; from what I've seen, and heard, in those videos, those officers were way, way out of line and control...

BTW, there have been no riots over the killing here in LA like the ones in Minneapolis; the worst here was a brief blocking of a main freeway through the downtown area by about a hundred or so people and the worse damage was broken windows on a Highway Patrol cruiser that arrived at the scene; some of the protesters, a much smaller group, later showed up at the LAPD headquarters building and, again, briefly blocked part of the street in front of the HQ; LAPD broke up the demonstration with very little problem; in both cases, any possible impact of the demonstrations was muted due to the lockdown in place; its hard to really make a point of blocking a freeway or street when there is almost no traffic to speak of...

I was here in 1992 when the riots broke out then and our area was one of the hardest hit; believe me, what happened last night wasn't by any stretch of the term a riot; I've seen worse violence at a rock concert...

<O>

Platapus · 05-28-20, 08:13 AM

It did seem excessive. The man was handcuffed and laying on the ground. If anything needs to be knelt on, I would think that his legs would be a higher priority

Onkel Neal · 05-28-20, 08:47 AM

Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

Jimbuna · 05-28-20, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

Apparently not

Rockstar · 05-28-20, 11:13 AM

In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal, Radley Balko, author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop” presents chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier:

Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.

Catfish · 05-28-20, 11:21 AM

^ yes and how convenient the cops wear masks, so no one can be accused later, win-win. For them.

Police uses water, pepper spray and CS gas, not nice, but.. looks more like riot control than a normal police mission.

mapuc · 05-28-20, 11:39 AM

An outsider should not point fingers at another countries law and enforcement.

When it comes to give ideas then I think it may be ok.

The idea I give is from Sweden.

1. Since many, many years back and since some incident an upcoming police cadet have to go through a psychological test of some sort.
(from the Swedish news around 10 years after this had been implement, showed that 2-3 out of 20 interested have been classified as not suitable for the job)

2. Today a Swedish police has a number on his shirt/jacket.
In case a police should be to harsh and a civilian want to complain.
S/He can then use this number and the Internal affairs know who's the police office behind the mask.(The civilians don't)

Markus

Platapus · 05-28-20, 12:35 PM

I would like to see a reversal of the militarization of our police forces.

Commander Wallace · 05-28-20, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

An outsider should not point fingers at another countries law and enforcement.

When it comes to give ideas then I think it may be ok.

The idea I give is from Sweden.

1. Since many, many years back and since some incident an upcoming police cadet have to go through a psychological test of some sort.
(from the Swedish news around 10 years after this had been implement, showed that 2-3 out of 20 interested have been classified as not suitable for the job)

2. Today a Swedish police has a number on his shirt/jacket.
In case a police should be to harsh and a civilian want to complain.
S/He can then use this number and the Internal affairs know who's the police office behind the mask.(The civilians don't)

Markus

I'm not so sure on this Markus. Your being from a country other than the U.S may give you a unique perspective and allow you to do a comparison and contrast with law enforcement in your own country.

Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J. Alexander Kueng were fired while Chauvin was the one identified who for lack of a better word, executed an unarmed and restrained, George Floyd.

Chauvin has an extensive record of complaints against him in his role of a police officer. Chauvin was never disciplined which is indicative of the culture of the police department in Minneapolis. The Internal Affairs apparently never acted on the complaints inside it's own department or considered the complaints to have any merit.

It's been said that George Floyd may have tried to pass a counterfeit $ 20 dollar bill. This may be true but did Floyd print it ? Did Floyd unknowingly pass on a bill that he himself got and didn't know was counterfeit or is that a cover story that the Minneapolis Police used to cover their bases. If there was probable cause, then the proper remedial action would be to arrest and charge Floyd and allow Floyd his day in court to stand trial. The officers acted as judge, jury and executioner.

The official report is that Floyd died of a " medical condition ". I never heard of a videotaped execution called a " medical condition." I would say be being force-ably asphyxiated as shown in the video constitutes first degree murder and charges are warranted.

The lack of compassion shown by Chauvin and the time it took for him to die shows premeditation. This makes the job by decent law enforcement officers more difficult as there is a loss of trust. Further, This horrible incident subjects honest and decent Law enforcement officers to retaliation.

I just wonder how we manufacture people who have so little regard for life as to get a thrill from killing another person.

^ You hit the nail on the head, Platapus.

mapuc · 05-28-20, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I'm not so sure on this Markus. Your being from a country other than the U.S may give you a unique perspective and allow you to do a comparison and contrast with law enforcement in your own country.

Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J. Alexander Kueng were fired while Chauvin was the one identified who for lack of a better word, executed an unarmed and restrained, George Floyd.

Chauvin has an extensive record of complaints against him in his role of a police officer. Chauvin was never disciplined which is indicative of the culture of the police department in Minneapolis. The Internal Affairs apparently never acted on the complaints inside it's own department or considered the complaints without merit.

It's been said that George Floyd may have tried to pass a counterfeit $ 20 dollar bill. This may be true but did Floyd print it ? Did Floyd unknowingly pass on a bill that he himself got and didn't know was counterfeit or is that a cover story that the Minneapolis Police used to cover their bases. If Floyd was guilty, then the proper remedial action would be to arrest and charge Floyd and allow Floyd his day in court to stand trial. The officers acted as judge, jury and executioner.

The official report is that Floyd died of a " medical condition ". I never heard of a videotaped execution called a " medical condition." I would say be being force-ably asphyxiated as shown in the video constitutes first degree murder and charges are warranted.

The lack of compassion shown by Chauvin and the time it took for him to die shows premeditation. This makes the job by decent law enforcement officers more difficult as there is a loss of trust. Further, This horrible incident subjects honest and decent Law enforcement officers to retaliation.

I just wonder how we manufacture people who have so little regard for life as to get a thrill from killing another person.

^ You hit the nail on the head, Platapus.

A thought based on your reply.

If an American who wants to be a police officer had to go through some kind of psychological test. Would a person like Derek Chauvin passed this test ?

Because if you could remove those people before they take seat in the Police academy, it would be good thing.

As said in this Swedish news program some years ago.

From memory
Many want to be a police officer, but not everyone have the psychology to be a police officer.

Markus

Commander Wallace · 05-28-20, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

A thought based on your reply.

If an American who wants to be a police officer had to go through some kind of psychological test. Would a person like Derek Chauvin passed this test ?

Because if you could remove those people before they take seat in the Police academy, it would be good thing.

As said in this Swedish news program some years ago.

From memory
Many want to be a police officer, but not everyone have the psychology to be a police officer.

Markus

I'm really not sure Markus. From what I have heard, the lack of candidates has forced some police agencies I know of to lower the standards considerably to police cadets / recruits.

I remember going to college and one of my classmates aspired to be a police officer. As I understand it, he made it and quite frankly, he was dumber than a box of rocks and that's being kind.

There are good police officers, Markus and my comments are not an indictment of police officers, just the horribly bad ones. To Illustrate this point, I saw this video a few years ago and never forgot it. This is being a good law enforcement officer at it's best.

mapuc · 05-28-20, 04:36 PM

^Same here. 99-99.99 % is doing a fantastic job and I salute every police in the world.

Markus

Platapus · 05-29-20, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

^Same here. 99-99.99 % is doing a fantastic job and I salute every police in the world.

Markus

I agree. However, when good cops cover for bad cops, they are no longer good cops

Col7777 · 05-29-20, 08:05 AM

I just watched the video, I've not seen the others that onlookers took.

I read the guy tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill, if he knew it or not it's not like he was brandishing a gun or threatening anyone, in other word not a violent crime.
4 cops, one had him pinned down and handcuffed, I read there was one cop holding his legs yet I couldn't see that on this video, so if that is true he was well held down and not struggling.

I couldn't understand why they were holding him down for so long instead of putting him in the police car.

I once saw a police video where they stopped a guy and were holding him up at gun point, the guy had his arms raised.
One cop was yelling at him to lie down, as he went to move the other cop was also yelling at him not to move, in a way it was funny, neither of the cops were listening to what the other was yelling and the guy was nearly shot because of it.

Col.

05-28-20, 07:00 AM	#1
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,003 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots 4 Minneapolis police officers have been fired after video emerged of the 4 responding to a police call and killing an already restrained man. Riots and protests have been ongoing for the last 2 days in the Minneapolis and Los Angeles area . Murder charges are expected to be filed in the coming days against these 4 officers. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...story-n1215691

05-28-20, 07:16 AM	#2
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,580 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Saw the above video on TV; the local Los Angeles stations have been showing other videos of the same incident taken by surveillance and security cameras in the area; from what I've seen, and heard, in those videos, those officers were way, way out of line and control... BTW, there have been no riots over the killing here in LA like the ones in Minneapolis; the worst here was a brief blocking of a main freeway through the downtown area by about a hundred or so people and the worse damage was broken windows on a Highway Patrol cruiser that arrived at the scene; some of the protesters, a much smaller group, later showed up at the LAPD headquarters building and, again, briefly blocked part of the street in front of the HQ; LAPD broke up the demonstration with very little problem; in both cases, any possible impact of the demonstrations was muted due to the lockdown in place; its hard to really make a point of blocking a freeway or street when there is almost no traffic to speak of... I was here in 1992 when the riots broke out then and our area was one of the hardest hit; believe me, what happened last night wasn't by any stretch of the term a riot; I've seen worse violence at a rock concert... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __ Last edited by vienna; 05-29-20 at 07:26 AM.

05-28-20, 08:13 AM	#3
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,163 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It did seem excessive. The man was handcuffed and laying on the ground. If anything needs to be knelt on, I would think that his legs would be a higher priority __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-28-20, 11:13 AM	#6
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,575 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In an essay published in the Wall Street Journal, Radley Balko, author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop” presents chilling and convincing evidence of the blurring of the line between cop and soldier: Driven by martial rhetoric and the availability of military-style equipment — from bayonets and M-16 rifles to armored personnel carriers — American police forces have often adopted a mind-set previously reserved for the battlefield. The war on drugs and, more recently, post-9/11 antiterrorism efforts have created a new figure on the U.S. scene: the warrior cop — armed to the teeth, ready to deal harshly with targeted wrongdoers, and a growing threat to familiar American liberties.

05-28-20, 11:21 AM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,101 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ yes and how convenient the cops wear masks, so no one can be accused later, win-win. For them. Police uses water, pepper spray and CS gas, not nice, but.. looks more like riot control than a normal police mission. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-28-20, 08:47 AM	#4
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,365 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Good grief, you think a cop with any intelligence at all would know better than to kill someone this way.

05-28-20, 11:39 AM	#8
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 19,603 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	An outsider should not point fingers at another countries law and enforcement. When it comes to give ideas then I think it may be ok. The idea I give is from Sweden. 1. Since many, many years back and since some incident an upcoming police cadet have to go through a psychological test of some sort. (from the Swedish news around 10 years after this had been implement, showed that 2-3 out of 20 interested have been classified as not suitable for the job) 2. Today a Swedish police has a number on his shirt/jacket. In case a police should be to harsh and a civilian want to complain. S/He can then use this number and the Internal affairs know who's the police office behind the mask.(The civilians don't) Markus

05-28-20, 12:35 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,163 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I would like to see a reversal of the militarization of our police forces. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-28-20, 04:36 PM	#13
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 19,603 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^Same here. 99-99.99 % is doing a fantastic job and I salute every police in the world. Markus

05-29-20, 08:05 AM	#15
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	I just watched the video, I've not seen the others that onlookers took. I read the guy tried to pass a counterfeit $20 bill, if he knew it or not it's not like he was brandishing a gun or threatening anyone, in other word not a violent crime. 4 cops, one had him pinned down and handcuffed, I read there was one cop holding his legs yet I couldn't see that on this video, so if that is true he was well held down and not struggling. I couldn't understand why they were holding him down for so long instead of putting him in the police car. I once saw a police video where they stopped a guy and were holding him up at gun point, the guy had his arms raised. One cop was yelling at him to lie down, as he went to move the other cop was also yelling at him not to move, in a way it was funny, neither of the cops were listening to what the other was yelling and the guy was nearly shot because of it. Col. __________________ Silent and Violent