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[Moonlight]

Just had an encounter with a Large Ocean Liner and its escorts, I had to hit it with 14 torpedoes before it decided to sink, I don't know if you can fix that up or not but if you can it would save a lot of wasted torpedoes.

[Capt RAP]

May 12, 1943
Patrolling out of Midway in East China Sea off Shanghai
Right under Patrol Area Marker was
"Location Name In Game"
Great MOD, Thanks

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Just had an encounter with a Large Ocean Liner and its escorts, I had to hit it with 14 torpedoes before it decided to sink, I don't know if you can fix that up or not but if you can it would save a lot of wasted torpedoes.

interesting experience. sounds very Tinosa-like.
how many fish actually exploded?
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...-torpedo-44747

[Moonlight]

^ Its late Nov 43 and the exploder problems have been fixed, so 14 hits and as to what happened to the rest of torps we sent, well we don't know the answer to that question. We suspect its the torpedoes running deep, or it could even be that I can't always hit a sitting duck travelling at 1 knot per hour.

We're currently north of Okinawa and waiting for the 5 day patrolling star to turn grey, 1 ship sunk, no torpedoes left, and the lads are going to have xmas in Midway. What a gay day.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Just had an encounter with a Large Ocean Liner and its escorts, I had to hit it with 14 torpedoes before it decided to sink, I don't know if you can fix that up or not but if you can it would save a lot of wasted torpedoes.

The ship was ID'd as "Large Ocean Liner", correct? We'll look into it, but 14 torpedoes may not be out of the realm of possibility, if there was nothing onboard to help it sink, like ammunition or fuel. Ocean liners would have better water-tight security and more "floatability" to mess with for counter-flooding to "balace" things. As KaleunMarco mentions though, torpedo issues were throughout the war. They did get better, but were never eliminated. The odds of having more than one issue impact the fourteen sent though would be rare during that time frame. But we'll look into it.

Originally Posted by Capt RAP

May 12, 1943
Patrolling out of Midway in East China Sea off Shanghai
Right under Patrol Area Marker was
"Location Name In Game"
Great MOD, Thanks

Thanks for that. We'll either put a proper name to that, or just get rid of the text, dependent upon what we find...

[swdw]

Well, one thing I liked. Damaged a freighter and started shadowing her on the surface during the day as it was doing about 11 knots. Got in to about 60000 yds and it started shooting. And to my shock and surprise, it didn't have "old deadeye" on the gun because it actually missed several shots at that range. Backed of so it wouldn't get lucky. But was almost shocked by the fact it actually missed a total of about 6 shots with it's deck gun.

That's actually pretty darn reasonable at that range since the bow was pointed directly at it making for a very small target at that range for the type of guns and fire control a freighter had.

[torpedobait]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

The ship was ID'd as "Large Ocean Liner", correct? We'll look into it, but 14 torpedoes may not be out of the realm of possibility, if there was nothing onboard to help it sink, like ammunition or fuel. Ocean liners would have better water-tight security and more "floatability" to mess with for counter-flooding to "balace" things. As KaleunMarco mentions though, torpedo issues were throughout the war. They did get better, but were never eliminated. The odds of having more than one issue impact the fourteen sent though would be rare during that time frame. But we'll look into it.



Thanks for that. We'll either put a proper name to that, or just get rid of the text, dependent upon what we find...

I had a similar experience with a large ocean liner. Four torpedoes stopped it (I got one lucky hit on the props area) and she was down slightly by the bow. Was able to reload tubes twice. Hit it with at least eight more, four in the same bow area and the rest spread down the line from there, but she never went down. Escorts kept me way out of deck gun range, but after they finally left I poured 120 rounds of HE into her, plus my remaining 30 rounds of AP, She never changed attitude, and never sank. I was PISSED! That's a lot of tonnage to waste all that armament on and still not sink.

[Moonlight]

^ Welcome to the Large Ocean Liner club, .

Food for thought Mr beanie.
The largest ship sunk by a US submarine During WWII was the IJN Shinano, starting her life as a member of the famous Yamato Class Battleships in May of 1940, she was redesigned as an Aircraft Carrier following the attacks on Pearl Harbour and the sinking of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse In December of 1941.
She grossed a whopping 69,151 metric tonnes, at 872 feet long with a beam of 119 feet, she was only slightly smaller in proportions to the largest American fleet carriers the Essex and Midway classes.
She was finally completed on November 19, 1944 and was sunk only 10 days later by 4 torpedo hits from the USS Archerfish on November 29.

In comparison, the Titanic was sunk by 1 iceberg, the Shinano by 4 torpedoes and a large ocean liner takes 14 torps, something doesn't sound right about this.

[propbeanie]

Just remember though, as I'm looking at a Large Ocean Liner closinig on my location now (I purposefully set-up this ambush ), that the Shinano had a green crew, and all the water-tightness of the ship was not completed. That was the purpose of the journey, was to go to a different yard for "finish" work. Plus, the fire-control team vented the avgas fumes throughout the ship, like several other carriers experienced, and that helped in the explosion and resultant conflagration. The Titantic had "water-tight" compartments that really weren't, where the water could go over the tops of the water-tight walls. So they tore open and compromised several compartments that began the flooding, and the folks "in-the-know" on the ship thought "no biggie" - that is, until the water went over the top of the what? third wall? which flooded #4, the #4 flooded #5, which flooded #6, and that's all she wrote!...

Right now, AOB is 52°, range is 2700 and closing... I should know something shortly! I turned off duds, by the way, so that should not be a factor. All torps are impact, set for 15 foot... I'll be back in a few!

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Thanks for that. We'll either put a proper name to that, or just get rid of the text, dependent upon what we find...

there are 15 entries with that text. 311 and the rest after 447.
ouch.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Just remember though, as I'm looking at a Large Ocean Liner closinig on my location now (I purposefully set-up this ambush ), that the Shinano had a green crew, and all the water-tightness of the ship was not completed. That was the purpose of the journey, was to go to a different yard for "finish" work. Plus, the fire-control team vented the avgas fumes throughout the ship, like several other carriers experienced, and that helped in the explosion and resultant conflagration. The Titantic had "water-tight" compartments that really weren't, where the water could go over the tops of the water-tight walls. So they tore open and compromised several compartments that began the flooding, and the folks "in-the-know" on the ship thought "no biggie" - that is, until the water went over the top of the what? third wall? which flooded #4, the #4 flooded #5, which flooded #6, and that's all she wrote!...

Right now, AOB is 52°, range is 2700 and closing... I should know something shortly! I turned off duds, by the way, so that should not be a factor. All torps are impact, set for 15 foot... I'll be back in a few!

Wow. Took a bit longer than I thought it would to run this 1st running of the Sink the Large Ocean Liner... Here is the end result though in the initial test:



Notice I have the "She's taking water and going down" line finally... This is what I had left when it was all said and done:



I had one of 23 torps run deep and went under the hull. All of the rest exploded. So 22 torpedoes. We should probably change that... Thing of it was, even after getting that message, she showed no signs of going down, so I went ahead and shot #24, and then all of a sudden, she tilted up, and started down in just the time it took to fire the torpedo and for it to impact, at about 700 yards...



I suppose we really should look into that...

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

there are 15 entries with that text. 311 and the rest after 447.
ouch.

Nothin' that a global "Replace" won't fix in short order...

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Wow. Took a bit longer than I thought it would to run this 1st running of the Sink the Large Ocean Liner... Here is the end result though in the initial test:



Notice I have the "She's taking water and going down" line finally... This is what I had left when it was all said and done:



I had one of 23 torps run deep and went under the hull. All of the rest exploded. So 22 torpedoes. We should probably change that... Thing of it was, even after getting that message, she showed no signs of going down, so I went ahead and shot #24, and then all of a sudden, she tilted up, and started down in just the time it took to fire the torpedo and for it to impact, at about 700 yards...



I suppose we really should look into that...


Nothin' that a global "Replace" won't fix in short order...

Propbeanie... just to play... ''Devil's Advocate'' here, for a moment... BUT... would it not stand to reason, to run another test of that & no duds on but this time see of doing them set for mag det, instead of impact & see what results are gained from that.?


[ Just.. a suggestion, mind you... to keep in mind a balanced test. ]


On a side note... wowzers... all 24 out of the barn with no sink until right when you go to send off that last fish...

and being out of fish, makes this skipper mighty nervous.. of course, it don't help when they refuse to work as they should, either...



Keel hauling for the scurvy ridden lot of the bureau of ordnance personnel... then hang them from the yard arm as a warning.

[propbeanie]

The magnetic is better (ran it next), but still it was 11 or twelve... I then adjusted the zon file and the 3rd run then gave me a ship sunk after five hits, which would be about correct, but then she stood on end and would not go down the rest of the way... "Ship sunk" icon, but the there she sat... I then did a fourth run and shot toward the mid-section back to the aft, and she just kept a chuggin' along as 12 knots... tried to run away from me!... More adjustments are in order, and we probably should check a few other additions...

[KaleunMarco]

so, driving a Balao out of Midway. February 1945. Umpteenth mission.
ST Surface Radar becomes available during a refit and i load it up.
when i go out on patrol and meet the enemy i have no radar!!!
Neither of the radar screens will power up and none of the contact reports come from the radar technician.
So, WTF???
i've retreated back to the previous SJ-set but why would the ST-set not work?
what can i check to see if "something" is broken (talk about art imitating life)?
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[propbeanie]

I do not recall off the top of my head about that KaleunMarco... I'll have to dig out the notes and see what I have stowed away in my grip. The Tower has to match the mast that has to match the radar, etc., and all of them have to have the dates correct. s7rikeback found more date issues just today, and we had thought we had them all weeded out before. But that's what it sounds like KaleunMarco, is a date issue either in the sub's conn, or the upc files for the sub, or the equipment...

As a side note, the ST is available at Pearl 01-01-1945 for the first patrols of the Tench boats, so wouldn't be on the Balao for a re-fit until mid-January. I would think a Midway boat might see it the beginning to mid-February... Does (did??) the SD work? I know there is no screen for that in SH4 (why??), but you should be getting reports of aircraft by 12nm at the latest, with the improved SD, if you weren't already given the SV Elite along with the SJ...

We're chasing our tail at the moment with a few other issues, and we'll add investigating this to the new list...