US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 515

u crank · 10-12-19, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Don't worry, if the liberals manage to make Trump leave office they will turn their firehouse of madness on Pence.

Yep. The only Republican President that would be acceptable to the Democrat/progressive/liberal people is one that they could put in the White House.

Rockstar · 10-12-19, 08:48 AM

mapuc · 10-12-19, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Yep. The only Republican President that would be acceptable to the Democrat/progressive/liberal people is one that they could put in the White House.

As I understand it, there are two peaceful ways the Dem can take back the White House.

1. Winning the Presidential election

2. Keep on impeaching every Rep. - until they can put one of their own in charge.

Markus

Catfish · 10-12-19, 12:09 PM

Meanwhile the US gave up their former allies against the IS, the Kurds in Syriah, when Turkey began to attack them.

Operation "Endless wisdom".

mapuc · 10-12-19, 12:40 PM

^ Why did Trump gave the order to withdraw his troops from that area.

I don't like to speculate I guess there's a reason.

Markus

u crank · 10-12-19, 01:42 PM

The President's position is consistent with the Constitution and public opinion. He wants U.S. forces out of a conflict in which America’s interests have never been clear, and for which Congress has never approved military intervention. They are there because of President Obama's failed policies concerning Syria and Iran.

The Kurds that the US helped led by the YPG (People’s Protection Units) are the Syrian branch of the PKK (the Kurdistan Worker’s Party) in Turkey. The PKK is a militant separatist organization with Marxist-Leninist roots. The PKK remains a designated foreign terrorist organization under U.S. law.

It is a complicated situation. It's the Middle East. There probably is no good outcome. Having U.S. forces in northern Syria to fight ISIS or protect the YPG is not something most Americans support. Bloodshed and chaos is the Muslim Middle East’s default condition, so America would have to commit to an endless military occupation. Let these people solve their own problems or at least let nations closer to the problem get involved. Say for example, the EU.

Rockstar · 10-12-19, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Meanwhile the US gave up their former allies against the IS, the Kurds in Syriah, when Turkey began to attack them.

Operation "Endless wisdom".

We will support one faction or another like everyone else and use whomever to destabilize a certain government or region to our advantage. We are not the only ones that do this.

Germans are not the innocent bystanders they like to see themselves as either. Your country has sold and continues to sell to Turkey the hardware to effectively attack and kill Kurds. I guarantee if you tried to support Kurds over Turkey you would most likely have a very large Turkish uprising in your country (whats left of it).

We live in a screwed up world.

Rockstar · 10-12-19, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

^ Why did Trump gave the order to withdraw his troops from that area.

I don't like to speculate I guess there's a reason.

Markus

It was one of his campaign promises. “I will never send our finest into battle unless necessary, and I mean absolutely necessary, and will only do so if we have a plan for victory with a capital V,” he thundered. “The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies.” Though I dont think that means will not stop selling arms to the enemy of our enemy.

All politicians save most of their promises and act upon them near the end of their term. As election season draws near he is doing what every politician before him has done. He will make a show of keeping them.

Catfish · 10-12-19, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

[...] Germans are not the innocent bystanders they like to see themselves as either. Your country has sold and continues to sell to Turkey the hardware to effectively attack and kill Kurds. I guarantee if you tried to support Kurds over Turkey you would most likely have a very large Turkish uprising in your country (whats left of it).

You're of course right (also with what i did not quote here from your post), however Germany has stopped to send weapons to Turkey, effective today.

https://www.dw.com/en/german-governm...key/a-50807998

Which of course is a joke since Turkey already has so much that it does not need more. Also while german diplomats left a proper and resolute message to Turkey's Erdoghan, Merkel did not say much, read: enough.

re u_crank you defend the US and its policies, what is Canada's official stance on the matter?

MaDef · 10-12-19, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Meanwhile the US gave up their former allies against the IS, the Kurds in Syriah, when Turkey began to attack them.

Operation "Endless wisdom".

I think That was more a marriage of convenience/necessity, rather than an alliance.

Catfish · 10-12-19, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

I think That was more a marriage of convenience/necessity, rather than an alliance.

I think that is a betrayal, and it sends a signal to other allies of the US.

em2nought · 10-12-19, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

“The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies.”

Which would be a good thing since "we the people" have plenty of enemies already right on our native soil within the Democratic Party, the Deep State, the Education System, the Mainstream Media, and Big Tech.

Plenty of enemies to fight right here in the good ol' USA.

mapuc · 10-12-19, 05:05 PM

Day before yesterday Trump said something like

There's three way to handle this

1. Send the military and win
2. Impose Embargo and sanction
3. Negotiate a ceasefire between Turkey and the Kurds

There's also a fourth way

4. Close the eyes, put fingers in the ear and sing na-na-na....can't hear you

Markus

u crank · 10-12-19, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

re u_crank you defend the US and its policies, what is Canada's official stance on the matter?

I'm not sure what Canada's view of Trump's troop withdrawl is but since one of Justin Trudeau's first acts as Prime Minister just days after his election in November 2015 was to end Canada's role in the air war against ISIL, I think it would be somewhat hypocritical to criticize Trump's decision.

We have taken in 58,650 Syrian refugees though since the war started there.

As to defending US policies... hardly. I was opposed to the US military involvement in Syria, Afganistan and both wars in Iraq. And all the proxy wars as well.

Mr Quatro · 10-12-19, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

^ Why did Trump gave the order to withdraw his troops from that area.

I don't like to speculate I guess there's a reason.

Markus

I didn't say this, but an ad on FB did; "Trump has two twin towers in Turkey with a loan of 5billion dollars"

Trump said it Turkey did several of three or four things that he would ruin their economy. They have now done them all.

But I personally am glad no US military will be coming home in a body bag.

Why does Trump do anything?

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u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,612 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	The President's position is consistent with the Constitution and public opinion. He wants U.S. forces out of a conflict in which America’s interests have never been clear, and for which Congress has never approved military intervention. They are there because of President Obama's failed policies concerning Syria and Iran. The Kurds that the US helped led by the YPG (People’s Protection Units) are the Syrian branch of the PKK (the Kurdistan Worker’s Party) in Turkey. The PKK is a militant separatist organization with Marxist-Leninist roots. The PKK remains a designated foreign terrorist organization under U.S. law. It is a complicated situation. It's the Middle East. There probably is no good outcome. Having U.S. forces in northern Syria to fight ISIS or protect the YPG is not something most Americans support. Bloodshed and chaos is the Muslim Middle East’s default condition, so America would have to commit to an endless military occupation. Let these people solve their own problems or at least let nations closer to the problem get involved. Say for example, the EU. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 19,574 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Day before yesterday Trump said something like There's three way to handle this 1. Send the military and win 2. Impose Embargo and sanction 3. Negotiate a ceasefire between Turkey and the Kurds There's also a fourth way 4. Close the eyes, put fingers in the ear and sing na-na-na....can't hear you Markus