Russia's developing 100 megaton dirty Tsunami Creating submarine drone bomb

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

Good thing we're more peaceful and friendly than we've ever been. Can you imagine the tyrants of the past with access to such power? We'd long since had our Götterdämmerung I think.

The world's peace is secured either through violence of through the threat of violence, not through the good will of countries or their elites. Without that threat of violence the apparently benighn democratic leaders (ie Obama) would destroy other countries in order to reach ideological and political objectives.
Thanks God that Russia has a nuclear deterent.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nice wording.
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and...-of-the-future
Primarily though our UUVs are in an anti-mine warfare role, we'll probably branch into USVs more in the future for coastal patrol in combination with UAVs, but I doubt we'll go too far with UUVs since we don't really have an operational need for them at this stage. However, when it comes time to develop a successor for the Astute, probably 20-30 years from now, I'd put decent money on a UUV, or at the very least a highly automated, lower crewed submarine, a bit like the original plans for the Alfa before reality got in the way.

I knew you would like the wording.

I see. How about retrofits, I mean Oscar-II->Oscar-III is a mid life repair with a retrofit.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Without that threat of violence the apparently benighn democratic leaders (ie Obama) would destroy other countries in order to reach ideological and political objectives.

I don't like the man but I don't see Obama dropping The Bomb just for some dark shadowy political or ideological objective, nor do I see Trump doing that either. Putin on the other hand I think would not hesitate to pull the nuclear trigger if he thought he could get away with it.

From several posts that you've made here on this forum it seems to me that you think we here in the west are just itching to wipe you out. Now I can't speak for the Europeans but that's not how we roll here in America.

Just remember this. After the fall of the USSR when you folks were in disarray and couldn't mount much of a response we could have nuked your country into a glass floored, self lighting parking lot and gotten away with it, but we didn't and we wouldn't. Can you say the same thing about your leader?

Thanks God that Russia has a nuclear deterent.

Russians still believe in God? Really? I thought the Soviets stamped out religion and sent all the believers to the Gulag in order to create that workers paradise.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Now I can't speak for the Europeans

Western Europe, no, we'd be about the same.

Eastern Europe....

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

From several posts that you've made here on this forum it seems to me that you think we here in the west are just itching to wipe you out. Now I can't speak for the Europeans but that's not how we roll here in America.

Just remember this. After the fall of the USSR when you folks were in disarray and couldn't mount much of a response we could have nuked your country into a glass floored, self lighting parking lot and gotten away with it, but we didn't and we wouldn't. Can you say the same thing about your leader?

Sure we remember. While the physical existance of our country was assured through the strength of our nuclear deterent we had to endure humiliation and abuse, both at home with the foreighn agents (and I use the US legal term here) undermining as from within and abroad, with Russia being unable to defend it's national interests. And that would have been fine, if not for the false promise to treat us fairly that was given at the end of the Cold War and in exchange for our surrender.

If not for the strength of arms and will we would have been destroyed and subjugated, a plausible excuse would always be found to justify it by one who searches with the intent to find it.

Russians still believe in God? Really? I thought the Soviets stamped out religion and sent all the believers to the Gulag in order to create that workers paradise.

This was there to make you think (which apparently you did not) and to mirror your own question. However to answer it - I am, personally, a follower of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Not all of my kin died in the purges, despite being old servants of Russia. So we remember the good, the bad, the ugly.

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

If not for the strength of arms and will we would have been destroyed and subjugated, a plausible excuse would always be found to justify it by one who searches with the intent to find it.

You're assuming intent (where there was and still is none). The fact is your military at the time was in tatters so like I said we could have wiped you out if we had that intent but we didn't.

I do however notice that you avoided the question of what your ex KGB leader would do. That's because I think we both know that he would push the button.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

You're assuming intent (where there was and still is none). The fact is your military at the time was in tatters so like I said we could have wiped you out if we had that intent but we didn't.

I do however notice that you avoided the question of what your ex KGB leader would do. That's because I think we both know that he would push the button.

You could not, as the nuclear deterent was still there. If you desire to know more about the causes of the current conflict I would advise you to access this article:
http://pozneronline.ru/2014/03/7200/
If you wish, I could partially translate it and, in good faith, provide context for it's origins and/or content.

I actually did answer your question. Though if you remain confused I would clarify it in explicit form.

[mapuc]

They may build hundreds of nukes and better nukes and stronger nukes-But a human can only die once, not 8 or 10 times
( In a nuclear war that is)

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