Charlie Sheen's skepticism regarding 9/11

[Torpedo Fodder]

Look at it this way: Consider all the previously-secret government scandals that have leaked recently, such as Abu Gharib, the NSA wiretapping and the White House's involvment in blowing Valery Plame's cover. If 9/11 was orchistrated by the governemnt, it would require a far more wide-reaching conspiracy within the US Government to keep secret than any of the scandals that have thus been exposed. If the government couldn't keep those secret, how the hell would they keep a 9/11 conspiracy secret?

[Theta Sigma]

Sheen's a jackass.

His recent comments only serve to confirm it.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Generally speaking, conspiracy theories are rarely true. A couple of friends of my family are big on 9/11 conspiracies - but, really, I think the conspiracy explanations are so contorted by comparison to the official versions, in all likelyhood they're baloney. That's just the way conspiracy theories usually are. :hmm:

Maybe, but most of the time they contain a very very tiny bit of truth.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Torpedo Fodder

Look at it this way: Consider all the previously-secret government scandals that have leaked recently, such as Abu Gharib, the NSA wiretapping and the White House's involvment in blowing Valery Plame's cover. If 9/11 was orchistrated by the governemnt, it would require a far more wide-reaching conspiracy within the US Government to keep secret than any of the scandals that have thus been exposed. If the government couldn't keep those secret, how the hell would they keep a 9/11 conspiracy secret?

Yes, should be imposible to hide away, to much people involved, but.......... what about they know there is something coming, and they decide to let it come?
Perhaps not knowing the outcome was at huge as it was? :hmm:

[Dowly]

I´ve been reading alot about the 9/11. It just cannot be that the goverment planned it, even though there are lots of things that make it look like it.

Pentagon:
a) Not a single part of the planes fuselage is found
b) The plane just happened to strike the part of the pentagon, which was going through maintenance
c) The hijackers couldnt fly even a Cessna, then how could they maneuver a big passenger plane on low altitude
d) The pentagon suffered only minor damage, I´ve seen photos were there is even some of the windows intact nearby the point where the plane crashed.

WTC:
a) Cannot remember which tower it was, where the plane struck it in to the corner. Anyway, almost all of the fuel from the plane exploded in air, not in the building. Still, that tower collapsed first.
b) The way the towers collapsed, straight down.
c) The explosions that are heard just few seconds before the towers collapse.

Weird stuff, but as I said, I dont believe it´s a conspiracy.

Another site about the 9/11 conspiracy:
http://serendipity.nofadz.com/wtc.htm

I only have one comment: Charlie Sheen a "highly credible public figure"?

[The Avon Lady]

What a sad little thread.

[Sixpack]

Btw, isnt it an amazing coincident only the White House wasn't hit and the other targets (WTC, Pentagon) were ? :hmm:

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

Btw, isnt it an amazing coincident only the White House wasn't hit and the other targets (WTC, Pentagon) were ? :hmm:

No.

Where was flight 93 destined to crash into?

Was it the last of the hijacked flights in the air and the US was already on full alert?

[Torpedo Fodder]

Originally Posted by Fish

Yes, should be imposible to hide away, to much people involved, but.......... what about they know there is something coming, and they decide to let it come?
Perhaps not knowing the outcome was at huge as it was? :hmm:

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence: Even a case of the government knowing that 9/11 would happen yet deliberatly not doing anthing to stop it would require a fairly large conspiracy.

[bradclark1]

The only thing I'll say about it is that it's strange they demo'd down like they did. If you watch the film you will see puff's of smoke and dust working their way down ahead of the collapse. Witnesses said they thought they heard multiple explosion's. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from duty two weeks prior to 9/11.
I've never heard of burning jet fuel melt metal and even if it did, I still don't understand how those planes hitting where they did cause the total collapse of the towers.
I'm not into conspiracy theories but I wouldn't mind some answers.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

The only thing I'll say about it is that it's strange they demo'd down like they did. If you watch the film you will see puff's of smoke and dust working their way down ahead of the collapse. Witnesses said they thought they heard multiple explosion's. Bomb sniffing dogs were removed from duty two weeks prior to 9/11.
I've never heard of burning jet fuel melt metal and even if it did, I still don't understand how those planes hitting where they did cause the total collapse of the towers.
I'm not into conspiracy theories but I wouldn't mind some answers.

Just to add to bradclark1 comments the designers of the twin towers planned for the probability of an aircraft hit. According to this documentary I saw both towers were design to take the impact of two aircrafts. The designers are supposed to be on record for that.

[TteFAboB]

I heard the WTC was built to withstand the impact of a Space Shuttle returning from Orbit at mach 3, but the system depended on a special computer software located on a top secret room to balance the whole structure in the event of a crash. The day before 9/11 a janitor witnessed the security guard playing Silent Hunter III on the balancing-computer.

Starforce destroyed the WTC.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by bradclark1

I'm not into conspiracy theories but I wouldn't mind some answers.

I've posted this before:

POPULAR MECHANICS - 9/11: Debunking The Myths.

There are a million other articles out there, including many by prestigious engineers, who have produced the nerdiest and boring but most scientific and technical articles to explain how the structures failed and why the towers and the Pentagon were damaged the way they were.

From what I recall, the WTC was never built to withstand the damage of a fully fuel laden large jet ramming into it at high speed. And if the original designer thought it was, well, back to the drawing board!

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

From what I recall, the WTC was never built to withstand the damage of a fully fuel laden large jet ramming into it at high speed. And if the original designer thought it was, well, back to the drawing board!

But ~60-70% of the other plane´s fuel exploded in the air, they never reached the building.

Oh and what about those 'Let´s roll!' phone calls???

Dear Ted,

I was reading your article on Rense.com on cell phones in flight, yesterday I made 2 flights with a motorola i205 nextexl phone, 1st flight, I had my cell off and then turned it on I suspect a little under 10,000 feet and well over 250 knots in a Boeing 737-400 and could not get ANY signal while still over a major metro area (Seattle).

2nd flight same day I left my phone on during takeoff, and before even reaching 3000, feet and slower than 250 knots( over the San Francisco Bay area)( as there is a speed limit that close to a large airport)like about the time the flaps were coming up the cell had lost its signal.

I know this is unscientific but if a newer phone (3 years) since 911 can't maintain a lock I highly doubt a 2001 phone could maintain a lock.

But then again, this doesnt prove anything.