Why no Lufftwaffe bases? - Page 3

NiKuTa · 02-08-06, 08:01 PM

Wery good. Becouse after 1943 the airplanes was the worst enemy for U-boots

BTW if anyone make a new plane for SHIII pls send me it - nikuta@serek.one.pl

I will try do a real air mod

with your help of corse

sergbuto · 02-08-06, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiKuTa

BTW if anyone make a new plane for SHIII pls send me it - nikuta@serek.one.pl

Vaa made a few new planes for SH3 including Lancaster, Blenheim Mk.IV , F6 Hellcat, Re2000. I got stuck with making transparant pilot cabin, i.e. glass for the cabin, otherwise you could have a brand new mosquito, maybe even with rockets.

NiKuTa · 02-08-06, 08:59 PM

British used a some merchats which have catapult and hurricanes on it. Maybe we do this merchants ???? But thhis Hurris dont take a bomb, and the Hurris in the game have no machineguns

.

@sergbuto Could you do a mosquito with 40 mm gun. Thay was used to atack U-boots ????

Salvadoreno · 02-08-06, 09:34 PM

OoOo this is sounding greaat. But dont forget the german AF!!!

bookworm_020 · 02-08-06, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiKuTa

British used a some merchats which have catapult and hurricanes on it. Maybe we do this merchants ???? But thhis Hurris dont take a bomb, and the Hurris in the game have no machineguns

.

@sergbuto Could you do a mosquito with 40 mm gun. Thay was used to atack U-boots ????

The Mozzie had a 57mm gun, but it was only built in small numbers as rocket armed aircraft proved to be more affective.

NiKuTa · 02-08-06, 11:01 PM

I dont remember 40 or 57 mm gun :/, but i think that this plane we may (should) add.

02-09-06, 04:42 PM

oh don't mind me Rubini, i have no where to complain - i just opened up all three of the campaign files and saw what a gigantic job was done in RUB. dunkirk would likely be best dealt with through a single mission level.

NiKuTa · 02-10-06, 04:42 AM

After my test with more sqn's in one base i know that this is not good idea. Bette is add more AB them more sqn's in one AB.

Actualy i do a British side.
I found wery cool www side. http://www.rafweb.org/Maps/Coastal1939.htm
Now i do the AB same as on this www.
After that i will try do US, CA, IT and Luftwafe basses.

I set a planes to AB, and each AB is different.
Small are for short range planes.
medium have medium range planes.
Large have long range planes.

irish1958 · 02-10-06, 11:46 AM

Rubini
Could you make your next HT mod compatable with IUB 1.02 Also?
I think some of us are still using it. I don't think Orgy is interested anymore in revising his mod collection.
Will the up-coming super mod include these changes?
irish1958

iambecomelife · 02-10-06, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiKuTa

British used a some merchats which have catapult and hurricanes on it. Maybe we do this merchants ???? But thhis Hurris dont take a bomb, and the Hurris in the game have no machineguns

.

@sergbuto Could you do a mosquito with 40 mm gun. Thay was used to atack U-boots ????

Salvadoreno · 02-10-06, 09:01 PM

Omg iam!! thats awesome!!!! Is that a c2?

malcymalc · 02-11-06, 08:10 AM

Actually it was not just during Dunkirk -German bombers and fighters attacked ships in the Channel and along the East Coast form July 1940 through 1941.

See http://www.paralumun.com/warbattleofbritain.htm

And in more detail:

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/calendar.html

Note that the British radar station were located right on the clifftops in many cases so when you see Fairlight attacked by U87s that would be visible from a sub off the coast.

See also
http://www.warsailors.com/convoys/hnondates3.html

One of the things that "bugs" me is the assertion that the Luftwaffe did not help the U-boats, probably popularised by the Das Boot miniseries. I noticed that even Clay Blair's excellent first book on the UBoot war took the same general stance (possibly one of the failings of having such an in depth narrow view, rather than looking at the wider picture). It is certainly true that the lack of a dedicated Fleet Air Arm hindered the Kriegsmarine in a big way and that in the Atlantic itself better co-ordination between Uboots and aircraft could have helped.

However this argument ignores the handicaps the Luftwaffe found itself with in 1940. The Luftwaffe was designed as a close air support arm - the U87 was intended for use as "mobile artillery" with the PanzerKorps, the Bf109 had a short range because it was intended to establish battlefield superiority from temporary airstrips, and so on.

Then when France fell and Britain did not surrender as intended this tactical airforce was required to take on a strategic bombing role for which it was not suited. It is hard to provide strong aircover in mid-Atlantic when the bulk of your planes could not fly further than Belfast.

The Luftwaffe did do what they could as the links demonstrate - when a target was within range and the assets were available (remember that from April / May 1941 the Luftwaffe was largely taken from the West to fight the main enemy, Russia) it got attacked. Additional aircraft delivered mines to the East Coast port areas.

From the summer of 1940 Britain did not have the unfettered use of its East Coast ports because of UBoot and air attacks. This meant that most goods landed had to come in via the West Coast ports (Bristol, Cardiff, Liverpool etc) causing major strains on the transport system (you can imagine 40 ships arriving at once would cause problems in a port today with containerisation - imagine what it was like then) not only in the ports themselves but in the rail and road net.

If any modders are planning things then you would probably need to think about adding Ju88 and Do17 models to the game for East Coast attacks.

Regards
Malcolm

malcymalc · 02-11-06, 09:30 AM

Hear a description of a Luftwaffe convoy attack here:

http://www.harry-tates.org.uk/history2.htm

Malcolm

NiKuTa · 02-11-06, 10:15 AM

Right now i do that. It is only a beta, and it is not finished.
http://rapidshare.de/files/13029935/...T1.47.exe.html

Salvadoreno · 02-14-06, 07:42 PM

how is any of this comming along guys?? Havent heard from this for a while and didnt even notice the beta test for "knights of the sky!"
I know NYGM is comming out with a mod, dont know if its called Tonnage Mod or Air Mod that encompasses air combat but it will definately improve this mod as well if they are both compatible. Faster, more stronger planes for luftwaffe and Coastal Command plus the presence of aircraft during convoy battles would be awesome!!!

Any1 know how its going? Any1 do a beta test

02-08-06, 08:01 PM	#1
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Wery good. Becouse after 1943 the airplanes was the worst enemy for U-boots BTW if anyone make a new plane for SHIII pls send me it - nikuta@serek.one.pl I will try do a real air mod with your help of corse __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

02-08-06, 08:59 PM	#3
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	British used a some merchats which have catapult and hurricanes on it. Maybe we do this merchants ???? But thhis Hurris dont take a bomb, and the Hurris in the game have no machineguns . @sergbuto Could you do a mosquito with 40 mm gun. Thay was used to atack U-boots ???? __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

02-08-06, 09:34 PM	#4
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	OoOo this is sounding greaat. But dont forget the german AF!!! __________________

02-08-06, 11:01 PM	#6
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	I dont remember 40 or 57 mm gun :/, but i think that this plane we may (should) add. __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

02-10-06, 04:42 AM	#8
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	After my test with more sqn's in one base i know that this is not good idea. Bette is add more AB them more sqn's in one AB. Actualy i do a British side. I found wery cool www side. http://www.rafweb.org/Maps/Coastal1939.htm Now i do the AB same as on this www. After that i will try do US, CA, IT and Luftwafe basses. I set a planes to AB, and each AB is different. Small are for short range planes. medium have medium range planes. Large have long range planes. __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

02-09-06, 04:42 PM	#7
redbrow Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	oh don't mind me Rubini, i have no where to complain - i just opened up all three of the campaign files and saw what a gigantic job was done in RUB. dunkirk would likely be best dealt with through a single mission level.

02-10-06, 11:46 AM	#9
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	air force Rubini Could you make your next HT mod compatable with IUB 1.02 Also? I think some of us are still using it. I don't think Orgy is interested anymore in revising his mod collection. Will the up-coming super mod include these changes? irish1958

02-10-06, 09:01 PM	#11
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Omg iam!! thats awesome!!!! Is that a c2? __________________

02-11-06, 08:10 AM	#12
malcymalc Bosun Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Actually it was not just during Dunkirk -German bombers and fighters attacked ships in the Channel and along the East Coast form July 1940 through 1941. See http://www.paralumun.com/warbattleofbritain.htm And in more detail: http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/calendar.html Note that the British radar station were located right on the clifftops in many cases so when you see Fairlight attacked by U87s that would be visible from a sub off the coast. See also http://www.warsailors.com/convoys/hnondates3.html One of the things that "bugs" me is the assertion that the Luftwaffe did not help the U-boats, probably popularised by the Das Boot miniseries. I noticed that even Clay Blair's excellent first book on the UBoot war took the same general stance (possibly one of the failings of having such an in depth narrow view, rather than looking at the wider picture). It is certainly true that the lack of a dedicated Fleet Air Arm hindered the Kriegsmarine in a big way and that in the Atlantic itself better co-ordination between Uboots and aircraft could have helped. However this argument ignores the handicaps the Luftwaffe found itself with in 1940. The Luftwaffe was designed as a close air support arm - the U87 was intended for use as "mobile artillery" with the PanzerKorps, the Bf109 had a short range because it was intended to establish battlefield superiority from temporary airstrips, and so on. Then when France fell and Britain did not surrender as intended this tactical airforce was required to take on a strategic bombing role for which it was not suited. It is hard to provide strong aircover in mid-Atlantic when the bulk of your planes could not fly further than Belfast. The Luftwaffe did do what they could as the links demonstrate - when a target was within range and the assets were available (remember that from April / May 1941 the Luftwaffe was largely taken from the West to fight the main enemy, Russia) it got attacked. Additional aircraft delivered mines to the East Coast port areas. From the summer of 1940 Britain did not have the unfettered use of its East Coast ports because of UBoot and air attacks. This meant that most goods landed had to come in via the West Coast ports (Bristol, Cardiff, Liverpool etc) causing major strains on the transport system (you can imagine 40 ships arriving at once would cause problems in a port today with containerisation - imagine what it was like then) not only in the ports themselves but in the rail and road net. If any modders are planning things then you would probably need to think about adding Ju88 and Do17 models to the game for East Coast attacks. Regards Malcolm

02-11-06, 09:30 AM	#13
malcymalc Bosun Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 64 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hear a description of a Luftwaffe convoy attack here: http://www.harry-tates.org.uk/history2.htm Malcolm

02-11-06, 10:15 AM	#14
NiKuTa Ensign Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 226 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Right now i do that. It is only a beta, and it is not finished. http://rapidshare.de/files/13029935/...T1.47.exe.html __________________ http://serek.one.pl/~nikuta/SH/Perso...%20NiKuTa.html

02-14-06, 07:42 PM	#15
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	how is any of this comming along guys?? Havent heard from this for a while and didnt even notice the beta test for "knights of the sky!" I know NYGM is comming out with a mod, dont know if its called Tonnage Mod or Air Mod that encompasses air combat but it will definately improve this mod as well if they are both compatible. Faster, more stronger planes for luftwaffe and Coastal Command plus the presence of aircraft during convoy battles would be awesome!!! Any1 know how its going? Any1 do a beta test __________________