Aerofly FS 2013

[greenjewel]

Hello I just bought this on steam; and my reaction to the game is not quite as optimistic as yours op. First of all I started the game after install with expert mode on. I can't put the fighter jet into a spin. I can fly straight up and not stall. I can land on lakes; rivers; hills; I haven't tried mountains. I can fly 5 feet above ground upside down(steam gave me a sticker). When I try to exit the atmosphere and look back down everything does look very impressive. Wherever you are there's no hint of airflow over the wings; no matter what stunts you pull. The wings do flex.... If you look at the engines of the jet fighter from behind randomly the engines turn off (visually not physically). I would like to get a refund; but I don't believe steam will give refund based off of user experience They sell it as realistic flight simulator and I can land any plane on water and take off again! Oh! With or without landing gear!

[Herr-Berbunch]

Welcome aboard

Thank you for confirming my decision, but I'm sorry you're not enjoying it. What other sims have you got?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by greenjewel

Hello I just bought this on steam; and my reaction to the game is not quite as optimistic as yours op. First of all I started the game after install with expert mode on. I can't put the fighter jet into a spin. I can fly straight up and not stall. I can land on lakes; rivers; hills; I haven't tried mountains. I can fly 5 feet above ground upside down(steam gave me a sticker). When I try to exit the atmosphere and look back down everything does look very impressive. Wherever you are there's no hint of airflow over the wings; no matter what stunts you pull. The wings do flex.... If you look at the engines of the jet fighter from behind randomly the engines turn off (visually not physically). I would like to get a refund; but I don't believe steam will give refund based off of user experience They sell it as realistic flight simulator and I can land any plane on water and take off again! Oh! With or without landing gear!

Well, I kind of cautioned of the limited realism. The basic physics are there, not more, and the world is about looks, not functionality. This whole thing really only is about taking the plane out for a walk and watching the daylight landscape. In this it performs very well.

I told you so! Twice! (post #3, too)

Take it for what it is. You can have fun with it if you do, and can learn about Switzerland . But if you insist on your expectations being different, then you will recall it as a waste of money, which would be sad. that bad it simply is not.

I also saw that Steam sells the full package with 8 instead 4 planes, and for 40 bucks. Well, that much it wouldn't have been worth for me, too, probably. As I said, the special edition "2013" that I got, regularly costs 30 Euro, and I got it for the half. Originally the thing costed 65 dollars, thats why I did not go after it earlier this year.

I agree though that it is a bit rich that they promote this as the most realistic flight simulator". The most realistic VFR looks - that would have been correct. But again, I told about the basic physics only, and limited options.

[Skybird]

This is what simHQ had to say in their review of the full program in April.

http://www.simhq.com/_air14/air_516a.html

Greenjewel, try the glider and see whether that one brings you some joy. I cannot tell, it is not part of the 2013 edition. From what I read it is not as sophisticated as Condor fo course, but many people seem to think it makes most fun. Flying VFR and slow is what this program is best suited for, I would think. The hornet I fly for fun, noting it is not that realistic (it is the most unrelaistic of the four planes I got), but it is fun to skim around at 350-40 knots. I do not try to push the envelopes with it. It could be done, and you are right: it is not realistic then.

[greenjewel]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Welcome aboard

Thank you for confirming my decision, but I'm sorry you're not enjoying it. What other sims have you got?

I have silent hunter 3; not sure where the box is. I have condor flight simulator; and take on helicopters. I'm thinking of one of the dcs franchises; or il2 clifs of dover (but I've read it was very buggy/unstable upon release; and I'm not sure if they've fixed everything yet).

Originally Posted by Skybird

Well, I kind of cautioned of the limited realism. The basic physics are there, not more, and the world is about looks, not functionality. This whole thing really only is about taking the plane out for a walk and watching the daylight landscape. In this it performs very well.

I told you so! Twice! (post #3, too)

Take it for what it is. You can have fun with it if you do, and can learn about Switzerland . But if you insist on your expectations being different, then you will recall it as a waste of money, which would be sad. that bad it simply is not.

I also saw that Steam sells the full package with 8 instead 4 planes, and for 40 bucks. Well, that much it wouldn't have been worth for me, too, probably. As I said, the special edition "2013" that I got, regularly costs 30 Euro, and I got it for the half. Originally the thing costed 65 dollars, thats why I did not go after it earlier this year.

I agree though that it is a bit rich that they promote this as the most realistic flight simulator". The most realistic VFR looks - that would have been correct. But again, I told about the basic physics only, and limited options.

Microsoft flight; the free to play version that failed. Is better and more realistic then this game; period. The beef I have is not with you; but with the sales pitch that it is; the game is in fact a real simulator. I tried using the glider that same night and I couldn't retract the propeller. Did I mention you can retract the landing gear on a whim and not damage the plane; it pops in and pops out; that should have been in your review Think about it; it's kind of funny; but that really represents what this game is; an arcade game.

[Herr-Berbunch]

For realism I'd go for a DCS title over Cliffs, you can download DCS World and try out the Frogger for free, it's more basic than the payware aircraft but still involving. The payware DCS aircraft are a work of art (check out the DCS threads around here) but not the sort you can just get in and taxi/take off without reading instructions beforehand. Cliffs is pretty, but there are (were - the last I played was a couple of months ago) still some bugs* but overall it was still enjoyable and my PC is at the lower end of the running spectrum.

*I'm not saying that DCS isn't without it's bugs, but they do work on them seemingly more often.

You may also want to try Rise of Flight, like DCS you can download a demo version (no longer timed) before plunging for an upgraded version or just the odd payware aircraft.

Links to all sites are sticked in the Flight Sim Hangar thread.

[greenjewel]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

For realism I'd go for a DCS title over Cliffs, you can download DCS World and try out the Frogger for free, it's more basic than the payware aircraft but still involving. The payware DCS aircraft are a work of art (check out the DCS threads around here) but not the sort you can just get in and taxi/take off without reading instructions beforehand. Cliffs is pretty, but there are (were - the last I played was a couple of months ago) still some bugs* but overall it was still enjoyable and my PC is at the lower end of the running spectrum.

*I'm not saying that DCS isn't without it's bugs, but they do work on them seemingly more often.

You may also want to try Rise of Flight, like DCS you can download a demo version (no longer timed) before plunging for an upgraded version or just the odd payware aircraft.

Links to all sites are sticked in the Flight Sim Hangar thread.

Thanks.

[Skybird]

For more realistic flight simming, I recommend FSX, and then depending on your taste:

if you like to push buttons and program sub-systems, the PMDG-range of airplanes is best choice, namely the 737NGX. That one is a complexity monster, its simulated system depth is without rival.

If you are more after VFR or artistic flying, i always like the SIAI Marchetti SF260 by Realair for that. Some reasonable WWII fighter addons are available, too, but of these I only know the Spitfire, also by Realair, also well-done.

An older package, originally for FS2004, but then converted to FSX, is the Piper Cheyenne by Digital Aviation. In its class, this module is without competition. It'S excellent both visually and functionally. One sometimes can get it for reduced price these days.

If you want to do serious soaring, no way you can avoid Condor then, an independent simulator, beefed up with some photo scenery addon.

Myself, I almost exclusively fly the 737-800 NGX these days. I only do turns with the bus simulator OMSI.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by greenjewel

I have silent hunter 3; not sure where the box is. I have condor flight simulator; and take on helicopters. I'm thinking of one of the dcs franchises; or il2 clifs of dover (but I've read it was very buggy/unstable upon release; and I'm not sure if they've fixed everything yet).

Microsoft flight; the free to play version that failed. Is better and more realistic then this game; period. The beef I have is not with you; but with the sales pitch that it is; the game is in fact a real simulator. I tried using the glider that same night and I couldn't retract the propeller. Did I mention you can retract the landing gear on a whim and not damage the plane; it pops in and pops out; that should have been in your review Think about it; it's kind of funny; but that really represents what this game is; an arcade game.

What can I say. I managed to crash my plane on lakes and hills, and I crashed as well during landing with lowered gear when coming in too fast and too hard, and was resetted to initial starting situation. I also stalled the Hornet when climbing to steep for too long if starting the climb with a reasonable speed for the starting altitude. The engine however has magic power parameters. Try flying it at 3000 feet with 330-440 knots, and then turn sharp. My Hornet sooner or later will stall. If you push the magic engine stick to full max, don't be surprised if you reach 950 knots at sea level and then climb vertically to angels 40K.

And this pic
is from Aerofly FS , posted just some weeks ago. It shows the glider without propeller. Are you sure you have checked for needing manual keycommand defintion for raising and lowering propeller?

This video shows the glider in action in Aerofly FS - without a propeller.

[greenjewel]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What can I say. I managed to crash my plane on lakes and hills, and I crashed as well during landing with lowered gear when coming in too fast and too hard, and was resetted to initial starting situation. I also stalled the Hornet when climbing to steep for too long if starting the climb with a reasonable speed for the starting altitude. The engine however has magic power parameters. Try flying it at 3000 feet with 330-440 knots, and then turn sharp. My Hornet sooner or later will stall. If you push the magic engine stick to full max, don't be surprised if you reach 950 knots at sea level and then climb vertically to angels 40K.

And this pic
is from Aerofly FS , posted just some weeks ago. It shows the glider without propeller. Are you sure you have checked for needing manual keycommand defintion for raising and lowering propeller?

This video shows the glider in action in Aerofly FS - without a propeller.

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I think the video speaks for itself.