Download limit

[Takeda Shingen]

Yeah, it's just unreasonable to ask that you come along and introduce yourselves after getting all of these free downloads. Just monsterous.

Sense of entitlement much?

[Targor Avelany]

Originally Posted by deadmoon

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?

would you like to pay for this site and help maintain it - http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms/donation.htm here is donation link for example. And maybe if there is enough money there the limit is raised.

And, tbh, ppl like you should be immediately cut off from downloads - insulting self-serving people don't deserve the amount of work modders put into making this game awesome.

Originally Posted by Zanarkin

Just by replying to each mod thread that you downloaded and saying thanks is a super easy way to show support and increase your post count....better than increasing it with angry posts anyway

Agree.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by deadmoon

I just wanted to weigh in on the 3/10 download limit imposed by this site. Your requirement that I post something, just so that I can d/l an extra few items per day must have a purpose. If it's to foster community it may work for some, but for others it will mean posting something just to gain a few extra downloads. Happily I can voice my distaste at your d/l limits and gain my extra d/l's per day all at the same time. Not sure if that's a win win or not?

Subsim currently has more than 76,000 registered members, and recieved more than 9,000 visits in the last 24 hours. How many of those posted something, and how many downloaded something? I'm not sure how much it costs just to maintain the servers for those 24 hours, but the last time we had a fund drive we faced the problem of possibly having to close the download section for lack of funds. If you haven't donated then somebody else is paying for your "free" downloads. We don't ask that you pay, and we don't have a donation requirement for downloads. All we ask is that you give back a little time to the community. If that's too much to ask, then would you prefer that we started charging for downloads? How much more would you complain then?

Or would it be better if the Downloads section was just closed?

i have a great solution for all those who cant tolerate a limit of 10 downloads per day, lets just close and eliminate the download section altogether. that way you wont have to be subjected to such draconian regulations that seam to be such a hardship on you.

all those in favor of ending the horrible draconian download limit buy closing the download section say aye

i for one wouldnt mind if neal started charging $1 per download, if he did that i would even remove all my mods elsewhere to be sure people have to come here to get them.

[bismark141]

My only big annoyance is that it seems that, despite having not downloaded any mods today, it says that I reached my cap.

The cap itself is a wonderful way of limiting everything. Hell, the huge majority of my downloads could be cut in half, as they're from me getting the same mods on 2 different computers lol.

It's also a good way to make sure your game doesn't get bogged down, as you wont suffer from downloaditis, as I do with Skyrim. Anything i could consider being mildly useful gets put in, and it bloats my saves so fast lol

[hanspetterbre]

I dont like it

[Frank Ravelli]

Well i have to say that it took a whole week to download all the mods in sober´s list, even if googling outside subsim. If it waqsn´t for the mods found somewhere else it would have probably taken about a month. That´s a pity, in my opinion. I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods. I am also a user of skyrim mods and the skyrim nexus is a paradise of modding. And a great example of how to present and manage a mod site. Because, after all the restrictions imposed here at subsim, the system is quite bad when searching for files, posts, info, etc.
Anyway, the mods are there to be downloaded in the end, if you are patient enough. And the work of the modders here is just amazing!!

[BigWalleye]

If you have any idea how the other sites you mentioned are funded, you ought to post it to Neal Stevens. SubSim depends on those donations to pay the bills. Everyone would love it if this were a completely free site and all costs could be met through indirect means - advertising, commissions, whatever. If you know a way to do that (one that will WORK), please share it!

As for the searches, perhaps you would be willing to donate some of your time to improving what we have?

[Frank Ravelli]

@BigWalleye take a look at this site.
http://skyrim.nexusmods.com//?
As you can see there are big ads on the page that I guess help quite a lot in funding the site. They do not bother though. BTW they also accept donations, but they are not "enforced". And check also how there is a forum, but there´s a separate page for each mod. there are thousands of them (possibly the most modded game in history of pc games?)

I don´t know much about programming to help improve the search system on this site or anywhere else. I am just a parasite user. that´s why I respect absolutely the policy in this site in any case

[BigWalleye]

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com//?

Certainly a nice site, in all respects. 5M+ members, about 2 orders of magnitude bigger than SubSim, probably due in some measure to the much greater popularity of the games involved. Submarine and naval sims are pretty niche.

Yes, I'm sure advertising covers a lot of their expenses. SubSim does solicit ads, altho the fact that we don't see many probably says something about the size of SubSim's market and about the aggressiveness of its ad marketing staff. But they do solicit ads.

The Nexus site has a premium membership available, also. They offer a different goody bag with premium membership. No limits on downloads.

Maybe you could address some of these ideas to Neal. I know the admins are always looking for ways to improve the site. The big issue is liable to be scaling. There's different business models for the Tonight Show and Wayne's World.

EDIT:
SubSim is a relatively small online community of gamers who share a common interest in naval sims. SubSim, like everything on the Internet, and pretty much everything in life, is not free. All the “free stuff” is paid for by someone. The bandwidth I am using to post this was paid for by someone, who felt that the continued existence of the forum was worth a contribution. The downloads section, storage and bandwidth, is not free. It was paid for by someone’s contribution. The mods themselves are not free. They are the result of a lot of hard work, given freely to the community by people who believe that encouraging this commonality of interest is a good idea. Everything on this site is a gift from someone. TANSTAFL

Is it wrong to impose limits on those who do not contribute? That is a morally arguable point. But no one is utterly excluded from anything, and the purpose served is to ensure that SubSim will continue to be here and serve this community. Most of us feel that is a worthwhile goal. YMMV

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Frank Ravelli

I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods.

I don't think it's fair to take and take and take and never give. It's annoying to see profiles with 12 posts and 300 downloads, and all 12 posts are asking for help with some mod or another. I think this community would be far better if everyone who registered here actually took part in it.

Just my opinion.

[THEBERBSTER]

Hi Guys
I decided to subscribe to Subsim not because I wanted a mass of daily downloads, but because I wanted to say thank you in my own way for the fabulous work that not only the modders do but also for the regular help and support that has come my way through the threads. Sometimes its nice to give something back.
Best wishes Peter

Originally Posted by Frank Ravelli

I dont think it should be necessary to force the users to donate or post in subsim in order to get the desired mods.

no one on this site is forced to do anything.

if you want to download something all we ask is that you make a post, not a hundred and not 10 but just one legitimate real post that could be as simple as saying thank you or this is a great mod is all it takes. you cant say that's such a huge thing to ask is it? or wait I think some of you already said it is.

the only time you need to donate is if you want to download a large number of mods without restriction. anyone else can simply take the time to download the 8-10 mods a day they can download and then do more tomorrow.

all this complaining about download limits is silly since its all provided to you for free and yet that's not good enough for some. what a shame some people are so ungrateful for what they have.

[THEBERBSTER]

Well said Webster

[Vivoune]

I downloaded about 60 mods from this site alone and stalked the forums for tips, advices and tutorials for the past few years, even if I do so on a very irregular basis it is oh so comforting to know all this invaluable knowledge and file database is here just waiting for us to enjoy and tickle with.

I remember reading somewhere that the servers cost about $600+ a month to maintain, so I think everyone can understand something has to be done to keep the whole enterprise afloat. I have just donated a few $ to help out a bit and I think it's quite fair given all that community give's me back. Just my two cents