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Skybird · 02-27-12, 06:39 AM

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Sledgehammer427 · 02-28-12, 12:11 PM

so I went through some of the literature after downloading and installing and I'm blown away. I'm going to staples tonight to visit my girlfriend and print the Tacsop manual. seems like something id want on hand. makes good bedtime reading

Skybird · 02-28-12, 07:24 PM

Last time I checked they had FM field manuals and more tactical documents in their download section. Asking in the forum also can link you to guys being in the knowledge and owning such material. I remember that several of them posted digital copies of this and that.

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http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/19
18 Army FMs, 8 Marines FMs, 39 Russian manuals. Sleep well.

Sledgehammer427 · 03-06-12, 10:48 AM

I got the dongle in the mail last Thursday , been playing the game every chance I got since then.
Sky, I have a gunnery score of 90, which I got in the Leo 2A5, in the T-72, which I naturally gravitated towards, I score in the mid-high 60s. working on my lead a little bit more. the Challenger and I perform well, but other than that I haven't touched the APC's really.

I have trouble with the M1A1 simply because the way the sight kicks when you lase. I can perform a lase and blaze pretty well because its difficult for me to track with that sight setup. I tend to bump and if you mix a faraway PC with a heat round and that PC is going as fast as it can, I rarely score a first shot hit.

Skybird · 03-06-12, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

I got the dongle in the mail last Thursday , been playing the game every chance I got since then.
Sky, I have a gunnery score of 90, which I got in the Leo 2A5, in the T-72, which I naturally gravitated towards, I score in the mid-high 60s. working on my lead a little bit more. the Challenger and I perform well, but other than that I haven't touched the APC's really.

I have trouble with the M1A1 simply because the way the sight kicks when you lase. I can perform a lase and blaze pretty well because its difficult for me to track with that sight setup. I tend to bump and if you mix a faraway PC with a heat round and that PC is going as fast as it can, I rarely score a first shot hit.

Yes, the M1's sight behaves a bit weired to indicate that lead is added. I always wondered why they did it this way, it almopst provokes the gunner by reflex to move the gun to compensate although it is not necessary. It is very contra-intuitive.

If I recall correctly, the LAV also has some strangeness attached. When target is lased , the whole sight jumps upward and the crosshairs drop to the very bottom of the monitor, reducing your vision to the target significantly.

I never understood the reasoning behind these designs, both the M1 and LAV. But okay, I prefer the Leos and CVs anyway. There things are nicely straight and linear - point, lase, boom, next. That's how it should be, me thinks. Keep it simple, you egineers!

Lieste · 03-06-12, 01:39 PM

You are supposed to laze-n-blaze, track the centre of mass with the stationary reticle and then lase pausing only long enough to confirm good range input and correct indexing of round and then fire. A clean lase is one without the bar over the returned range, and it must also be at a range that reasonably matches your expected combat range from map locations and apparent target size (which is something you get a feel for after a few weeks).

Once you have made the first shot you are supposed to release the palm switch, and then re-apply it to engage the next target, or to re-engage the current one.

Done like this the behaviour is really very close to the Leopard, except the sight background is offset with the gun tube, rather than fixed to the central reticle - problems with chasing the reticle are only an issue while it is floating, which should be rarely/never when scanning.

While firing keep a steady tracking rate and don't flinch - unless the target motion is changing extremely small errors in tracking rate won't hurt the shot, but large changes in rate to correct small errors in position will be problematic at all except very close ranges. The same applies to the Leopard type FCS input.

The main advantage of the M1/M1A1 method is that you have experience of the offset the FCS is actually applying to various situations - this is important to perform well with a failed stabilisation or FCS, and with the 'hidden' solutions of the Leopard or M1A2 this is a task that must be learnt/taught separately.

Sledgehammer427 · 03-06-12, 03:24 PM

lieste, I found that if I don't even give the gun a chance as in "lase-fire" instead of 'lase-track-fire" I get hits more often. right after the TC calls target I palm switch, low mag and scan.
when the TC or I spot a target I switch to high mag, track, lase-fire. if I miss, palm switch, repeat.

as for tracking while the reticule is floating, I need to work on the settings for my joystick, for most of the time I'm tracking too fast or too slow. I end up "bumping " which causes a lot of my HEAT shots to go astray. me and sabot rounds are like peas and carrots.

02-27-12, 06:39 AM	#1
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02-28-12, 12:11 PM	#2
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	so I went through some of the literature after downloading and installing and I'm blown away. I'm going to staples tonight to visit my girlfriend and print the Tacsop manual. seems like something id want on hand. makes good bedtime reading __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

02-28-12, 07:24 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Last time I checked they had FM field manuals and more tactical documents in their download section. Asking in the forum also can link you to guys being in the knowledge and owning such material. I remember that several of them posted digital copies of this and that. Edit: http://www.steelbeasts.com/Downloads/p13_sectionid/19 18 Army FMs, 8 Marines FMs, 39 Russian manuals. Sleep well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-28-12 at 08:24 PM.

03-06-12, 10:48 AM	#4
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	I got the dongle in the mail last Thursday , been playing the game every chance I got since then. Sky, I have a gunnery score of 90, which I got in the Leo 2A5, in the T-72, which I naturally gravitated towards, I score in the mid-high 60s. working on my lead a little bit more. the Challenger and I perform well, but other than that I haven't touched the APC's really. I have trouble with the M1A1 simply because the way the sight kicks when you lase. I can perform a lase and blaze pretty well because its difficult for me to track with that sight setup. I tend to bump and if you mix a faraway PC with a heat round and that PC is going as fast as it can, I rarely score a first shot hit. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-06-12, 03:24 PM	#7
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	lieste, I found that if I don't even give the gun a chance as in "lase-fire" instead of 'lase-track-fire" I get hits more often. right after the TC calls target I palm switch, low mag and scan. when the TC or I spot a target I switch to high mag, track, lase-fire. if I miss, palm switch, repeat. as for tracking while the reticule is floating, I need to work on the settings for my joystick, for most of the time I'm tracking too fast or too slow. I end up "bumping " which causes a lot of my HEAT shots to go astray. me and sabot rounds are like peas and carrots. __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

03-06-12, 01:39 PM	#6
Lieste Soundman Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 142 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You are supposed to laze-n-blaze, track the centre of mass with the stationary reticle and then lase pausing only long enough to confirm good range input and correct indexing of round and then fire. A clean lase is one without the bar over the returned range, and it must also be at a range that reasonably matches your expected combat range from map locations and apparent target size (which is something you get a feel for after a few weeks). Once you have made the first shot you are supposed to release the palm switch, and then re-apply it to engage the next target, or to re-engage the current one. Done like this the behaviour is really very close to the Leopard, except the sight background is offset with the gun tube, rather than fixed to the central reticle - problems with chasing the reticle are only an issue while it is floating, which should be rarely/never when scanning. While firing keep a steady tracking rate and don't flinch - unless the target motion is changing extremely small errors in tracking rate won't hurt the shot, but large changes in rate to correct small errors in position will be problematic at all except very close ranges. The same applies to the Leopard type FCS input. The main advantage of the M1/M1A1 method is that you have experience of the offset the FCS is actually applying to various situations - this is important to perform well with a failed stabilisation or FCS, and with the 'hidden' solutions of the Leopard or M1A2 this is a task that must be learnt/taught separately.