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04-23-10, 11:56 AM | #16 |
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IIRC the US Navy started to escort Atlantic convoys in late 1941 after the drafting of the Atlantic Charter. In fact I'm pretty sure the Reuben James was on escort duty when she was sunk by Topp's boat in Oct '41, and she was the first US Navy ship lost in the war.
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04-23-10, 12:05 PM | #17 |
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The US weren't in an open war with Germany until they went into war with Japan, but yes, they were in the battle of the Atlantic since September 1941, as my previous post shows.
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04-23-10, 12:10 PM | #18 |
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Without delving into my books or bookmarked links, FDR kept pushing the area of US protection eastward and whilst the US was not officially at war yet, they gave a guarantee of safe passage to the merchants and eventually instructed their warships to attack if they or their charges were threatened.
Don't anyone forget the Canadians stood by the UK long before the US declared war. IMHO FDR was the best American President in terms of friendship towards the UK....without him and his efforts to change the hearts and minds of the US people, we'd have been sorely stretched and may not even have survived as long as we did prior to America joining in the hostilities. Without a shadow of a doubt, America was indeed the 'Arsenal Of Democracy'.
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04-23-10, 12:18 PM | #19 |
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From what I have read the contribution made by the Canadians was nothing short of extraordinary, I don't think they had much of a navy to speak of in 1939 but apparently they ended up providing a substantial portion of the men and ships involved when all was said and done.
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True, and somewhat still true, the last subs we have bought are old UK diesel subs, the HMCS Chicoutimi, within a few weeks of its delivery had encountered some issues. After the repairs, the Chicoutimi was decommissionned. But one thing still is true, we still have one of the best anti-submarine warfare navies there is. We often train in such scenarios with the US and we VERY OFTEN beat their subs or beat them to it (when they use one of theirs as the "target" who is a threat to North America).
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Well, I guess you learn something new every day. Didn't know about the USN's involvement in the early war, thanks for the info.
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When the reporter asked him if a Canadian sub had ever sunk an American carrier in exercises, he gave a huge beaming grin, and after a bit of a pause said that he was not at liberty to answer that question. Also, the U.S.N. made a habit of broadcasting un-enciphered contact reports of any U-Boats they sighted - well before they had become involved in WWII. Technically, this was not a breach of their neutrality, but it sure was useful information for the allies.
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