'Seawolves' contains Mods by...

After reading twelve pages of posts on this I can only say this. In the 20 GB of mods I have on my backup hard drive, most of them have a little read me file that says " You don't have permission to sell this mod without the authors consent. If you use my mod in yours give me credit for it." People that don't understand this are crapping on the whole moddling community.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

You do realize UBI is going to include the improvements in future work, right.
Will you promise to make the same stance and call them thieves, UBI=Thieves. Or, will you be a hypocrite and only pick on the little companies

It is Ubisoft's product. They own the copyright on it, so they have the right to make improvements, and they would certainly have the mod community's support if they decided to use a mod that we made. Anyway, this is not a question of a bunch of people trying to take down a poor, innocent 'mom and pop' business. This is a situation where a 'mom and pop' business has unscrupulously tried to sell freeware mods for a profit, without the authors' permission. I don't see how you can claim 'the middle ground' when you are failing to see how X1 has certainly done wrong already. X1 even admits this. Taking their side when they admit they did wrong is not 'taking the middle ground'. It is very far from the middle ground.

[Abraham]

Wulfmann is not "taking their side", Beery, but constantly demanding our understanding for X 1 while stating he's a neutral.
I remember he once (probably a few hour's ago) wrote that he loves to discuss with his friends, so I take it we all are his friends and he's just provoking us and having a good time doing it.

Or he is a shrewd trial lawyer, keeping us off balance...

And we are taking all this, hook, line and sinker, so to speak.
:rotfl:
The discussion is hardly serious anymore and is getting quite harmless...

[Beery]

Originally Posted by jasonb885

How would you stop them? Foul language?...

You stop them by getting Ubisoft on the side of the SH3 community.

These forum posts are not going to be here for long, and we're all eventually going to move on to other things, but there will be mod-makers who will have no knowledge of this issue, and all they will see will be Ail's mods, and CCIP's mods, Irishred's mods, and perhaps my mods, and stuff that was made possible thanks to Timetraveller, and other freeware mods in the Seewolfe add-on, all covered by X1's copyright notice. You and I won't be there to say "Hey guys, it's no problem, you can use most of the Seewolfe stuff in your own mods because they don't own the copyright on that stuff". There will be nothing except X1's blanket copyright notice, no one will know the facts about it, and it won't matter that X1's copyright notice is bull$hit.

The only people who have any chance of stopping the X1 guys are working at Ubisoft.

" X1 is claiming that they have permission to sell these mods, but they do not."

Huh? We have permission to use every mod included.. which there are a grand total of seven. The rest of the content is proprietary.

In two of those cases.. Contact Map Mod and Radiolog, we are using only limited versions. If users want the full deal, they can find it here.

It would have been a better product with more mods, which would have given better visibility to the great simulation that SH3 is.. but its our fault for not observing protocol.

The last thing anyone would want to see is mods become political copyright footballs, limiting the growth of the community and the hobby we all enjoy. Ok, flame away.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Reggie McNeal

" X1 is claiming that they have permission to sell these mods, but they do not."

Huh? We have permission to use every mod included.. which there are a grand total of seven. The rest of the content is proprietary.

It would have been a better product with more mods, which would have given better visibility to the great simulation that SH3 is.. but its our fault for not observing protocol.

As I understand it, some of the authors of these mods only gave permission to use them in a freeware add-on. That is not the same as getting a blanket 'permission for all use'. In these cases, you do not have permission to put those mods in Seewolfe. In fact you are specifically denied permission for such use.

[Elder-Pirate]

@Wulfmann,

If, and I do mean a big IF X1 somehow received all the luck in the world and legally started selling these mod disc WOULD you personally buy one ???????

The address of the German UBI PR guy, Mr. Karsten Lehmann is

KLehmann@ubisoft.de

Knowing some details I learned to know today from a so-called '3rd party informant', confirmed later by someone important (I'd like to tell you more but I really cannot speak en detail about it at this point of time) I'd like to state again that 'seewolves' will be history soon.

But this shouldn't make us stop shouting out and writing to Ubi, explaining things. The bottom line seems very clear to me: Each sold copy of 'seewolves' damages directly Ubi's future sales. The decision makers in France are watching sales numbers closely, and if they are aware what a commercial success of X1's could mean, we've won.


Ah...Reggie...nah, I'd like to call you Mister Len Hjalmarson: I could easily publish things you've done in the last, let's say, 6 years....do you really want to force me to do that by NOT refraining from posting BS?

Thanks for your understanding!

Ok, I tried to communicate here. Obviously you guys want to believe what you want to believe. Bye bye.

Originally Posted by Reggie McNeal

Ok, I tried to communicate here. Obviously you guys want to believe what you want to believe. Bye bye.

Thank you!

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by terrapin

Ah...Reggie...nah, I'd like to call you Mister Len Hjalmarson: I could easily publish things you've done in the last, let's say, 6 years....do you really want to force me to do that by NOT refraining from posting BS?
Thanks for your understanding!

You should not say that, terrapin.
He is Reggie McNeal on this forum, untill he reveales his real name. Those are the rules of behaviour.
And don't threaten somebody to publish something, unless..
I understand your anger, but there are better ways to deal with it than this kind of personal attack or threat against a member of this forum who has said nothing wrong here... I guess.
Don't get carried away.

Originally Posted by Abraham

You should not say that, terrapin.
He is Reggie McNeal on this forum, untill he reveales his real name. Those are the rules of behaviour.
And don't threaten somebody to publish something, unless..
I understand your anger, but there are better ways to deal with it than this kind of personal attack or threat against a member of this forum who has said nothing wrong here... I guess.
Don't get carried away.

No way I'm carried away...the post you're referring to had the desired effect. IF Mr. H wouldn't be afraid of some things seeing tthe sunlight, he would not have reacted the way he has.

btw. My name is Martin P. Gerner, nice to meet you - I enjoyed reading your posts so far! (no irony here!)

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by Reggie McNeal

" X1 is claiming that they have permission to sell these mods, but they do not."

Huh? We have permission to use every mod included.. which there are a grand total of seven. The rest of the content is proprietary.

In two of those cases.. Contact Map Mod and Radiolog, we are using only limited versions. If users want the full deal, they can find it here.

It would have been a better product with more mods, which would have given better visibility to the great simulation that SH3 is.. but its our fault for not observing protocol.

The last thing anyone would want to see is mods become political copyright footballs, limiting the growth of the community and the hobby we all enjoy. Ok, flame away.

So the modders who have agreed to let you put their mod on the Seewolves disc which you are selling, are they going to receive any of the profit?

I am guessing here but most modders I have met don't make them for money.

Ho hum...what a cluster****.

[Zepheron]

Originally Posted by Reggie McNeal

Ok, I tried to communicate here. Obviously you guys want to believe what you want to believe. Bye bye.

Too little too late. You should have tried communicating in the form of asking permission for the use of mods first. But you didn't. Good bye.

[Nico71]

Originally Posted by Reggie McNeal

Ok, I tried to communicate here. Obviously you guys want to believe what you want to believe. Bye bye.

*sniff* Farewell!