Rise of Flight to be released June 8th in North America

[Arclight]

While I agree with the objections concerning ROF, I consider it nescesary to point out that the DRM present in Black Shark (yes, StarForce) is in no way similar to what people have become to loathe.

It kept me from a day-1 purchase, in fact it kept me from purchasing untill about a month ago, untill I realised my hatred towards the name StarForce was, in this case, unfounded.

Ofcourse it depends on where you draw the line when it comes to restrictions. In this case there's an online activation with limited activations. If you're migrating to a new system or doing an upgrade, you can use a deactivation and reactivate after you've made the system changes, without losing an activation. No rootkit-like driver installs that can mess up your system.

I still don't like it when anything is "limited", but it still beats the restrictions found on many other games (pretty much anything that has SecuROM nowadays).

If you can look past the StarForce name, you might find that the system is in this case quite reasonable.



As far as flight simulations go, it's the best thing ever. Eagle Dynamics both needs and deserves your support. Perhaps they might even drop StarForce in future modules.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Arclight

While I agree with the objections concerning ROF, I consider it nescesary to point out that the DRM present in Black Shark (yes, StarForce) is in no way similar to what people have become to loathe.

It kept me from a day-1 purchase, in fact it kept me from purchasing untill about a month ago, untill I realised my hatred towards the name StarForce was, in this case, unfounded.

Ofcourse it depends on where you draw the line when it comes to restrictions. In this case there's an online activation with limited activations. If you're migrating to a new system or doing an upgrade, you can use a deactivation and reactivate after you've made the system changes, without losing an activation. No rootkit-like driver installs that can mess up your system.

I still don't like it when anything is "limited", but it still beats the restrictions found on many other games (pretty much anything that has SecuROM nowadays).

If you can look past the StarForce name, you might find that the system is in this case quite reasonable.



As far as flight simulations go, it's the best thing ever. Eagle Dynamics both needs and deserves your support. Perhaps they might even drop StarForce in future modules.

Are you talking about ROF or Black Shark ?

I thought this was an ROF thread.

[Skybird]

While I see the interest for protecting software, and absolutely sympathise with that, limited online activations and DRM keep me in infinite dependance from factors that are beyond my reach (servers, companies), and that I do not accept as long as I pay full price for it.

Since I wish these things to go away again, I cannot wish Black Shark and Rise of Flight success, since only financial failure of the distribution model has a chance to make producers changing it. If it is successful, they will stick with it - and that I do not wish. So I hope the sales numbers are so low that it sends them the message.

Customer's compliance was not what made Sony listening to customers of their copy-protected music CDs. Nor was customer's acceptance what made UBI and others dropping Starforce again. It was protest, public criticism, court cases and dissappointing sales numbers.

In the General Forum, I had laucnhed a thread on DRM and two simHQ-essays, one pro and one contra. while both were written competently and with calm reasoning, I agree with the contra's arguments more than with the pro's.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154722

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Are you talking about ROF or Black Shark ?

I thought this was an ROF thread.

Black Shark; some things are worth fighting for.

Skybird, I agree with your reasoning, but good/realistic flight-sims are few and far between. Might be another 10 years before something like Rise of Flight pops up again. Although I admire sticking to your guns, maybe sometimes you need to make an exception (I folded for BS, and only BS).

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Arclight

Skybird, I agree with your reasoning, but good/realistic flight-sims are few and far between. Might be another 10 years before something like Rise of Flight pops up again.

So what...? If that title in ten years is DRM, too, it is a non-starter as well, so why should I care for it? Better they get the lesson today, and by that increasing the chance that once they go with a new title again they will give up on DRM. In other business fields, both software and music, they haven given up on it already, saying out loud that it was a failure.

The message is they did not give up because the model was successful or they showed good willingness, but because it proved to be an economic failure and/or a damage to their business reputation.

Although I admire sticking to your guns, maybe sometimes you need to make an exception (I folded for BS, and only BS).

This is no principal stubborness by me. I see DRM as being simply wrong, and tackling consumer's rights ( for example to resell a legally bought item, or to run it even without the needed server being in existence anymore).

I personally consider solid dongle solutions as good copy protection. It does a good job in delaying piracy successes in the first important weeks (which is what it all is about: delaying piracy in the first weeks), and from SBP I know that there are almost no complaints from the community, and the Codemeter dongle sticks having a good reputation in getting the intended job done. Customers' interest: taken care of, business interests: taken care of as well. Of course some will start whining again about how stressful it is for them to have to plug in and out a dongle and handle it appropriately so that it does not break after two months of use (maybe less stressful than having to plug and unplug a joystick?), but I know that it can be done. Like people complaining about disc's "limited lifetime", but throwing them around carelessly, scratching them mindlessly, using them to put their cup of coffee onto them, letting them fall onto the ground, touching the surface instead of carrying them with fingers put at the edges only. I never clean my discs, and my oldest discs are from the mid-80s - and still are as clear and shiny as a freshly polished mirror. So, handling discs with care and without needing to think about it can be done, too, you just must not behave like an elephant in a Chinese shop. In no way that is any "effort". And it is the same way with dongles.

[Captain Birdseye]

I'll be buying this sim with my first wage. I cannot wait, roll on next Friday

[nikimcbee]

Ha, I totally forgot about this one. What are the planes that are included in the game? (flyable) The movies look totally cool.

[Captain Birdseye]

Guys,

I'm running the game on the lowest settings, and it seems every 20 or so seconds I get really bad FPS.

My specs are:
NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT
2GB RAM
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ @2600 MHz

I'm running the game on my D drive, will this effect FPS?

Any help please?