Looking to build a decent PC in a budget

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Having solid caps is not a guarantee for reliability.
Many workstation and server boards use electrolytic caps and they are as reliable or even more as the all 100% solid caps motherboards.
Don't buy into the marketing snake oil, whats important is quality caps, either electrolytic or solid.

Except when they leak and destroy your computer:



They are cheap though. So if you like cheap and adequate, there ya go.

Solid caps have better stability too. BTW, Gigabyte doesn't buy Chinese garbage for caps either - they are Japanese caps. It is always going to be 100 x better quality control for Japanese made parts over Chinese. Japan usually has honor in what they produce (unless you buy Sony). The Chinese however, really don't care. They can accept some failures in the name of mass production. All is good until these cheap caps leak all over your motherboard and your motherboard is rendered useless because of it.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

[Skybird]

Xabba,

take note of Ssnakes answers in the 5th or 6nd reply.

http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbforums/...ad.php?t=13586

I have asked at subsim some time ago, now there at SBP boards, and several people in real life as well. I still cannot beolieve how many very different, even contradicting answers I have gotten. But if it is how ssnake says, it should be taken into account: there is little reason then to buy a quad if you do not plan to get software optimised for that. Probably better to got for a duo - but that with as many GHz as your budget allows.

[stabiz]

I went with the E8500 Core 2 Duo because I wanted a strong CPU when playing single core games, and I am happy with it. Much better than my old E6600.

[FIREWALL]

Seems like you have 2 choices.


Cheap and Adaquate or Longer lasting and Upgradeable.


A little more money spent now equates to less headaches later.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Seems like you have 2 choices.


Cheap and Adaquate or Longer lasting and Upgradeable.


A little more money spent now equates to less headaches later.

It has always been like this. You have to pay for quality.
Nowadays, people are more concerned with overclocking and so motherboards typically don't last long, 3 years at most if you're lucky.
And this in turn makes most consumer oriented motherboard makers churn up "cheap" motherboards that are flashy, hyped to death, support overlocking but whose quality is very very questionable in relation to the price asked.
Look at Asus for instance.

[FIREWALL]

I won't go cheap when it comes to a mobo.

It is the main part of a computer. Longevity and upgradeabilty and compadibility is of the utmost concern when makeing a buying decision IMHO.

All other hardware is upgradeable with the right purchase of the mobo.

For that reason I chose this mobo.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...387&CatId=4068

[goldorak]

That sure is a kick ass motherboard.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Except when they leak and destroy your computer:



They are cheap though. So if you like cheap and adequate, there ya go.

Solid caps have better stability too. BTW, Gigabyte doesn't buy Chinese garbage for caps either - they are Japanese caps. It is always going to be 100 x better quality control for Japanese made parts over Chinese. Japan usually has honor in what they produce (unless you buy Sony). The Chinese however, really don't care. They can accept some failures in the name of mass production. All is good until these cheap caps leak all over your motherboard and your motherboard is rendered useless because of it.

Just my 2 cents.

-S

What about japanese quality electrolytic caps ? Really the question is not whether to use solid or electrolytic, as if solid caps were somehow instrinsically more secure because they are not (on the [H]ard|Forum there are images of Nvidia video cards with failing SOLID CAPS how about that ?) . They fail just as easily.
Its just a myth the motherboard manufacturers have been "pushing" to justify higher prices and terrorize the consumers with the "experience of bad mobos dieing in the early 2000 because of bad quality control con electrolytic caps".
My stereo rig has high quality electrolytic caps, and it has been going strong for almost 20 years.
Motherboards wether using electrolytic or solid caps won't last that long because of technological obsolescense.
My last 2 intel motherboards (top of the line) use eletrolytic caps and have absolutely no problem whatsoever (one is almost 6 years old, and the other is going on 3 years).