Rise of Flight to be released June 8th in North America

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

IL2 is not ROF.

I know, but it is still a CFS

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Wait- do you mean SP? If so, you can get up to 50 planes at times (without much impact on the FPS) but 16 was the most I've seen so far from people posting screenshots.

I was talking about MP games where the 32 player slots are taken up by players.
now you really think 32 players are going to be in 1 dogfight?
unless the mapsize is small which I know it isnt your not going to see big furballs unless you play on both sides as teams and you confront at a certain point.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

This is not the case for ROF. You can either start off at your aerodrome or in flight, depending on what the server admin wants and what the mission is.

Mid air spawns ruin everything IMO, take offs and landings are the trickiest and yet most fun parts of any Flightsims.

but I wasnt refering to that...its the time that you SPOT contacts (by this time probally dots) and the time for you to get there in a aircraft which isn't going really fast. by the time you reach the area where the fight has been going on since you spotted it might be long over.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Strong and unjust criticism. You clearly haven't talked to any of the Russian players yet...

How so? people in groups/clans/Jasta's play way better as a team then a bunch of people that are not related to eachother by any group including the Russians.
and I've played with them plenty of times in IL2 and other games.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

What is then? What other can compare with this:

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/143419..._2_041709.html

perhaps it's time to get some glasses?

Most realistic Flightsim??? perhaps WW1 but not generally the most realistic Flight sim to date.

read the bold/italic/underline part REALLY carefully.

HunterICX

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

I know, but it is still a CFS

Although they're completely different otherwise.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

I was talking about MP games where the 32 player slots are taken up by players.
now you really think 32 players are going to be in 1 dogfight?

Like I said, have you read the Russians discussing the game? It's not uncommon to get that many people flying in one.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

unless the mapsize is small which I know it isnt your not going to see big furballs unless you play on both sides as teams and you confront at a certain point.

This screenshot is from an online match:

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Mid air spawns ruin everything IMO, take offs and landings are the trickiest and yet most fun parts of any Flightsims.

Even though it's a combat flight simulator?

Originally Posted by HunterICX

but I wasnt refering to that...its the time that you SPOT contacts (by this time probally dots) and the time for you to get there in a aircraft which isn't going really fast. by the time you reach the area where the fight has been going on since you spotted it might be long over.

And this is only reserved for WWI flight sims and/or Rise of Flight?

No. It comes with any CFS game you purchase. You're going to hit skirmishes and you're going to miss them. It's inevitable and comes with ANY online game (be it a tank simulator, aircraft simulator, or infantry simulator).

Originally Posted by HunterICX

How so? people in groups/clans/Jasta's play way better as a team then a bunch of people that are not related to eachother by any group including the Russians.

That's not always the case. We both know this. I've played plenty of online games over the years and have been able to cooperate effectively and efficiently with people not in clans. You have too...

Originally Posted by HunterICX

and I've played with them plenty of times in IL2 and other games.

Russian ROF players you mean?

Originally Posted by HunterICX

perhaps it's time to get some glasses?

Oh I already have some. See below for my elaboration.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

read the bold/italic/underline part REALLY carefully.

I did. That wasn't what I was asking you the first time, so let me ask again even more clearly.

What flightsim (be it a combat one or a leisure one) can compare to the details of ROF? What other can compare to it in terms of particle physics, historical accuracy, engine superiority, etc.?

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Even though it's a combat flight simulator?

Well, ofcourse its still a Flightsim is it not? did real life pilots have the chance of spawning mid air with the aircraft?

and I think the same counts for WW1 aircombat nothing is more thrilling then a scramble.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

And this is only reserved for WWI flight sims and/or Rise of Flight?

No ofcourse not, it counts for pretty much any CFS, the faster and powerfull the aircraft are the faster situations change thats the only difference.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

No. It comes with any CFS game you purchase. You're going to hit skirmishes and you're going to miss them. It's inevitable and comes with ANY online game (be it a tank simulator, aircraft simulator, or infantry simulator).

You ever played Online Squadron vs the rest in a CFS?(or different game)
I did and our team (the rest) got our asses kicked...reason: perhaps 20-30% of the team played together the rest just took off whenever they wanted they didnt fly as a group and they didnt fight as a group.
and I didnt only experience this in a CFS I also did in a FPS.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

That's not always the case. We both know this. I've played plenty of online games over the years and have been able to cooperate effectively and efficiently with people not in clans. You have too...

I've experienced that too, thing is it's random...one day you are around with decent players the other day your with a bunch of silent ones that just fly around by themselfs.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Russian ROF players you mean?

You reffered Russian players, not Russian ROF players.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

What flightsim (be it a combat one or a leisure one) can compare to the details of ROF? What other can compare to it in terms of particle physics, historical accuracy, engine superiority, etc.?

How can you compare anything to a WW1 FS other then a other WW1 FS
and how can you call something that focuses itself just on WW1 to be the superior to date?

you see it simply doesn't make sense to say ROF is the most realistic flightsim to date....as it doesn't model what other flightsims has to offer.

HunterICX

[FIREWALL]

I want to thank you Stealth Hunter for a wealth of info and great screenshots.

It seems it's more geared for online\multiplayer than a at home single player. At least at this time.

As I stated before , it has alot going for it.

I just want more for the money up front at purchase.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I just want more for the money up front at purchase.

Says the guy with the Ferrari?

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Says the guy with the Ferrari?

What has this to do with this topic ?

If your Trolling for trouble I can help you find it.

[Schroeder]

Hey easy, this wasn't meant to insult you.
I'm just surprised that someone with a Ferrari cares about 40$.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Well, ofcourse its still a Flightsim is it not?

Yeah.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

did real life pilots have the chance of spawning mid air with the aircraft?

No, but this isn't real life and it never will be. More importantly, ROF has the ability to be two things: the player can fly under simulator difficulty (more realism) or under a more arcade style difficulty (more action).

And if you think you've flown a hard flight model before and can immediately step into ROF and fly with no problem under realistic settings, you had best take a step back and talk to the people who already own it. It's hard, putting it simply.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

and I think the same counts for WW1 aircombat nothing is more thrilling then a scramble.

Glad to see we agree on this then.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

No ofcourse not, it counts for pretty much any CFS, the faster and powerfull the aircraft are the faster situations change thats the only difference.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

You ever played Online Squadron vs the rest in a CFS?(or different game)

Yes. I used to be a part of Red Baron 3D's Jasta 5 MP squadron years ago.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

I did and our team (the rest) got our asses kicked...reason: perhaps 20-30% of the team played together the rest just took off whenever they wanted they didnt fly as a group and they didnt fight as a group.
and I didnt only experience this in a CFS I also did in a FPS.

Although now that I think about it, that really comes with pretty much any game, doesn't it? I mean, unless you have a passworded server, you'll always have rogues here and there.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

You reffered Russian players, not Russian ROF players.

Neobq is a Russian company, the game is only out in Russia (although CIS nations have it... but they're basically owned by Russia lol), Russians are the main people playing it ATM, and they're really the only people that you can come into frequent contact with on the net to chat with about it. Sim HQ has them on all the time.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

How can you compare anything to a WW1 FS other then a other WW1 FS

Engine capabilities, graphics, attention to detail, you know...

Originally Posted by HunterICX

and how can you call something that focuses itself just on WW1 to be the superior to date?

Because there's no other game like it in terms of the engine it uses to simulate the world and make gameplay what it is, the detail of the planes, and the scope it covers.

Originally Posted by HunterICX

you see it simply doesn't make sense to say ROF is the most realistic flightsim to date....as it doesn't model what other flightsims has to offer.

Such as? There's no other one in existence that has engine features like it. I mean, an actual air particle system? That's never been done before in a flight sim. And the damage model is also a first, not to mention the flight model. The graphics likewise are superior to all others in existence to date, and the AI has had the community in awe.

It's a historic game for flight sims that will most certainly set the standard for future ones. It's quite simple. You will not be able to find a flight sim that can surpass ROF in these fields.

[FIREWALL]

More good points made Stealth Hunter

I'm weakening.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Stealth Hunter, I wouldn't say that ROF is the most graphicly advanced combat flight sim in comparison to IL-2. It looks more like it has CFS3ish graphics than IL-2ish. Also we have no way of comparing the flight and modeling as there hasn't been a WW1 cfs that hasn't been some sort of add-on or mod for an existing combat flight sim. Or at least not since Red Baron 3D.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Stealth Hunter, I wouldn't say that ROF is the most graphicly advanced combat flight sim in comparison to IL-2. It looks more like it has CFS3ish graphics than IL-2ish.

CFS3 does not have HDR and bloom available for use, nor does it feature a water reflection/refraction system, a heat haze effect system (like Empire Total War's, for example), a weather haze effect system (also like ETW's), and a terrain rendering system based off satellite data and Great War records as well as photographs.

This:



Will never be able to compare itself to this:

Also we have no way of comparing the flight and modeling as there hasn't been a WW1 cfs that hasn't been some sort of add-on or mod for an existing combat flight sim. Or at least not since Red Baron 3D.

Well according to the OFF devs, reviewers have been comparing ROF to OFF in terms of gameplay. So, if that's true, one does have something to compare ROF to.