R U a Dedicated P-38 flyer?

Task Force · 03-02-09, 03:52 PM

yea, main issue with the p 38 with me is when the elevator locks up due to excess speed.

Mush Martin · 03-02-09, 04:04 PM

activate the airelon boosters and get control back.
(use dive brake control)

I am odd in that I dont have the throttle on the slider on my
joystick I have it hooked to elevator trim and using that I still
have elevator function within the energy curve of the aircraft
and the ability to stay inside of blackouts for the pilot.
its a constant AOA adjustment and is great for Placing the pipper
in a high speed turning shot.

Fincuan · 03-02-09, 06:03 PM

I agree that the spoilers/boosters are very effective in increasing your turn rate, especially in snap turns. You can in fact outturn a veteran AI A6M5 even in slow speeds with them+combat flaps, but I don't like to use them much when skilled humans are around. Turning just doesn't fit the image of the P-38. You wouldn't of course even need to do that against Zippos, but those damn Lolwaffle rides...

The elevator lock-up is a bad thing indeed, especially because it kicks in in MUCH slower speeds in IL2 vs. real life. Hence "teh P-38 is porked". I'm aware of one mod that supposedly fixes this, but I haven't been able to download it yet. It's an FM mod so you won't see it at AAA. In the meantime I'll also be using the elevator trim on a wheel. It's quite useful in preventing "the fork-tailed lawndart"-phenomenom

Mush Martin · 03-02-09, 07:02 PM

The one thing I did notice is that when the aircraft spawns ingame
it spawns with the elevator depressed in the trim maybe 25% so
as part of my start routine I always center my slider on the mark
and then hit elevator trim neutral to correct this prior to take off.
It may actually have some effect because I had forgotten all about
the elevator failure tendency. Still it seems more likely that I am having
a much reduced failure rate because 98% of the time I am working the
elevator on the trim slider not the main stick. so assumably I am not
forcing it to the extremes.

M

Fincuan · 03-02-09, 07:40 PM

Oh there's no particular elevator failure, just that the elevators will be rock solid at ridiculously low speeds. Past 650 km/h trim is practically the only way to move the damn thing. Kind of like 109s, but much much worse. Take any P-38 for a few high speed dives without using the "air brakes", then do the same thing in any P-51 and you'll rip the wings off in the pullout

Mush Martin · 03-02-09, 08:42 PM

thats kind of my point I have now a bunch more times than I could
count and I admit I used to have the problem but working off of the
trim slide method I plain forgot about it. and yes I do mean often
without the boosters.

I just dig that crazy plane first born of the skunkworks granpappy of
them all.
M

03-02-09, 03:52 PM	#1
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	yea, main issue with the p 38 with me is when the elevator locks up due to excess speed. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

03-02-09, 04:04 PM	#2
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	activate the airelon boosters and get control back. (use dive brake control) I am odd in that I dont have the throttle on the slider on my joystick I have it hooked to elevator trim and using that I still have elevator function within the energy curve of the aircraft and the ability to stay inside of blackouts for the pilot. its a constant AOA adjustment and is great for Placing the pipper in a high speed turning shot. __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-02-09, 07:02 PM	#4
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The one thing I did notice is that when the aircraft spawns ingame it spawns with the elevator depressed in the trim maybe 25% so as part of my start routine I always center my slider on the mark and then hit elevator trim neutral to correct this prior to take off. It may actually have some effect because I had forgotten all about the elevator failure tendency. Still it seems more likely that I am having a much reduced failure rate because 98% of the time I am working the elevator on the trim slider not the main stick. so assumably I am not forcing it to the extremes. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-02-09, 08:42 PM	#6
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	thats kind of my point I have now a bunch more times than I could count and I admit I used to have the problem but working off of the trim slide method I plain forgot about it. and yes I do mean often without the boosters. I just dig that crazy plane first born of the skunkworks granpappy of them all. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-02-09, 06:03 PM	#3
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I agree that the spoilers/boosters are very effective in increasing your turn rate, especially in snap turns. You can in fact outturn a veteran AI A6M5 even in slow speeds with them+combat flaps, but I don't like to use them much when skilled humans are around. Turning just doesn't fit the image of the P-38. You wouldn't of course even need to do that against Zippos, but those damn Lolwaffle rides... The elevator lock-up is a bad thing indeed, especially because it kicks in in MUCH slower speeds in IL2 vs. real life. Hence "teh P-38 is porked". I'm aware of one mod that supposedly fixes this, but I haven't been able to download it yet. It's an FM mod so you won't see it at AAA. In the meantime I'll also be using the elevator trim on a wheel. It's quite useful in preventing "the fork-tailed lawndart"-phenomenom

03-02-09, 07:40 PM	#5
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Oh there's no particular elevator failure, just that the elevators will be rock solid at ridiculously low speeds. Past 650 km/h trim is practically the only way to move the damn thing. Kind of like 109s, but much much worse. Take any P-38 for a few high speed dives without using the "air brakes", then do the same thing in any P-51 and you'll rip the wings off in the pullout