First gangs, now Nazis into the army?

[Skybird]

That gangs send their members to military service ihn order to receive training and tactical knowladge that later the gang can take benefit of in local street and gang wars, I knew, and it has been repeatedly reported, for example:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...s-gangs01.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr12.html
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/7978035/detail.html
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8278

But that Neonazis also are being send to military service in strength, and that racist extremists are intentionally tolerated even if they are identified by unit commanders surprised me:

http://context.themoscowtimes.com/st...07/14/120.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...AE0894DE404482
http://www.thatsanotherfinemess.com/...can-wehrmacht/

I wonder what this means for future gang wars, as well as the standard of moral conducts in the armed forces, at least in, as mentioned, "light infantry units".

An America that often refers to it's own canon of democratical and free values to be the exmaple that others sghould follow, should not accept these developements going on. Disturbing.

I also found this on the matter, it is free, but I haven't red it so far, since I just found it today:
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute....cfm?pubID=597

[NeonSamurai]

This will also become a major issue for law enforcement as these gang members and other extremests will have better training (and likely equipment) then the police forces in general, and also represents a serious danger to SWAT teams who are the ones called out to deal with such people. Having suspects with training at least on par with SWAT training will meen alot more casualties for SWAT teams in the future. Also this creates the possibility of more military hardware being stolen by these gangs and extremist groups. Not just assault rifles (which lets face it are fairly easy to aquire and modify to full auto fire) but machine guns, anti tank rockets, plastic explosives, stinger missles, etc.

Honestly i think the US Military needs to wake up and see the threat. But right now they are ignoring it due to their large need for recruits for present military involvement, so they take almost anyone who meets the physical requirements. They realy need to start doing background checks, and stronger psychological profiling. People with psychological problems, associations with violent groups and orginisations, or with a criminal record (particularly anything violent) should be instantly rejected. Any existing military members who also fail to meet the above requirements should be immediatly discharged.

It wont stop the problem, but at least it will slow it down some.

[blue3golf]

Everyone joining the military now days has a background check done on them, this "tech check" taking about 3 days. Criminal records are looked at extensively, not just convictions but charges as well. Certain combinations or even single incidents depending on the law violation determines the enlistment elgibility. There really is no way to check what kind of groups someone has been associated with unless its by tattoos which are also checked or if it comes up in the background check. As with anything else there are ways to beat the system. The checks are there, it all depends on what shows up on them and how much a recruiter will ignore just to make quota.

[August]

It's also nothing new. The original motorcycle gangs of the 50's were primarily made up of veterans from the 40's. The gangsters of prohibition had more than their share of WW1 vets. Many of the outlaw gangs of our old west were civil war vets. Just about every outlaw group in American history had its share of ex soldiers.

I would venture to say it is similar with european and other nationalities as well.

[Ducimus]

US Army has been lowering recruting standards in order to meet their recruting quota's. They're now taking people they never would have a few years ago.

Couple articles i could find:
http://www.slate.com/id/2127487/
http://www.slate.com/id/2133908/

[NeonSamurai]

Yes that is true, however most of those individuals historicly, were "normal" civilians first, joined the military, fought a war and came back either screwed up, or with nothing left, and then got involved in criminal activities/gangs.

In this case, gang members and others are activly going out there and joining the military with the intent of learning their training, methods and tactics, then coming back to their criminal group and teaching the group what the person learned. Another issue is previously the millitary didnt realy focus on urban close combat, its only now that they are training in depth this sort of warfare, which is perfect for gang members, and other extremists, because they are almost garanteed to be fighting in such an environment. Can you imagine militarily trained gangs running around in large cities with modern military footsolider hardware?

We are already seeing the effects (ie criminals running around in body armor and assault rifles shooting up banks and police). Now imagine if these guys had real tactical training...

[Dust]

heat

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113277/

great streetbattle!

[tycho102]

There are Crips and Bloods and MS-13 guys that come out of the army, and teach their fellow gangsta's some clever tactics. It's a problem, and the general population of America isn't worried about it just yet. We've got free wireless internet to consider, and we're trying to figure out who's going to win American Idol.

These same gangs are also managing to import AK-74's and AK-M's through our lax border security, which is one of the reasons why I'm so damned pissed about border security. Sure the drugs are coming through. Sure we've got Mexicans, not to mention Columbians and Syrians, swimming the Rio Grande and hopping the fence. Our gangs are also strapping up and spreading out across the whole country.

Who knows? Maybe they'll be the ones to actually fight back against the moslems when they take over?

America has got plenty of internal problems to do with, it's just that our growing pacifist population doesn't want to address anything. They want to run things like Clinton: Everything's fine and the economy is growing and my "legacy" is outstanding...unless it hits the news...keep whatever it is out of the news, I don't care who you have to kill.




There's plenty of work to be done, and the Republicans and Democrats aren't doing any of it.

[TteFAboB]

Unless it's legal to keep close scrutiny on these people after they leave the military, then the best place for them is exactly in the military.

You know where the neo-nazi is, what he's doing, where he's going, what he's writing and if you both happen to be in Iraq and you need any cannon-fodder, you know who to call.