Russian torprdoe info

Badger343rd · 08-12-21, 10:58 AM

Anyone out there with a comprehensive Russian Sub weapon sourse/documents? I'm having trouble with torpedoe attributes.For example 65-76 ,some sites say wire guided, some say no...it has TERMINAL wake homing but it still has to get there, making me think its still wire guided in initial stage of firing.Also the uset-80...does it have a wire guided version...found this which makes me question it. "USET-80KM Variant of USET-80K with mechanical fire control inputs, instead of digital as on USET-80 and -80K". What is meant by "mechanical fire control inputs"??

steel shark · 08-13-21, 06:13 AM

we talked on Discord about this but hears the data as promised

USET-80

УСЭТ-80

Overview

Origin
Soviet Union
Type
Heavyweight torpedo
Entered service
1980 for USET-80
1989 for USET-80K
Status
In service
Development
1964 - 1975
Developer
Soviet Union - Gidropribor
Production
1980's - present
Producer
Soviet Union - Dastan plant
Kyrgyzstan - Dastan plant
Unit cost
30 million Rubles in 2008
Designations
УСЭТ-80
USET-80 / Universalnaya Samonavodyashchayasya Elektricheskaya Torpeda 1980
Russian for "universal homing electric torpedo"
Izdeliye 2503 (article index)
Notable users
Soviet Union
Russia
Description
Introduction
The USET-80 is a late Cold War era heavyweight torpedo of Soviet origin. It was developed as a universal torpedo for use by submarines. A universal torpedo can be used against both submarines and surface targets.

Design
The USET-80 is a heavyweight torpedo with 533mm diameter. Soviet torpedoes of this diameter are longer than their Western counterparts. USET-80 uses electric propulsion which allows it to dive very deep. Possibly up to 1 km depth, or more. Maximum speed is reported between 45 and 48 knots.

Guidance
The USET-80 uses passive acoustic homing against submarines and active acoustic homing in the terminal phase. When employed against surface vessels the USET-80 uses acoustic wake homing. There is no wire guidance for mid course updates. The original USET-80 with its Vodopad acoustic sensor had a very poor track record in shallow waters and under the ice, while it worked well in deep open waters. For this reason the active homing SAET-60M was, and possible still is, used alongside the USET-80. The improved Keramika sensor in the USET-80K showed better results in shallow waters. Both sensor types were deemed of mediocre performance by late Cold War standards.

Firepower
The warhead of the USET-80 is in the 200 to 300 kg range, which is effective against both submarines and larger surface vessels. Detonation is either by impact or magnetic proximity fuse.

Launch platforms
The USET-80 can be launched by a wide range of late Cold War era Soviet submarines and modern Russian submarines. For several decades it was one of the main torpedoes found on Soviet/Russian submarines. Apparently it is not used on surface vessels or ASW aircraft.

Users
The USET-80 was adopted in quantity by the Soviet navy and continued in service with the Russian navy. The USET-80 and USET-80K remain in service today, even on modern submarines like Project 955 Borei class.

Variants
USET-80 Initial production version, first introduced in 1980. Fitted with "Vodopad" acoustic sensor.
USET-80K Variant introduced in 1989. Fitted with "Keramika" acoustic sensor.
USET-80KM Variant of USET-80K with mechanical fire control inputs, instead of digital as on USET-80 and -80K.
TE2 Export variant of USET-80(K?) marketed in the early 2000's. Comes in three different models.

Facts USET-80

Origin
Soviet Union
Type
Heavyweight torpedo
Launch platform
Submarines
Target platform
Submarines and surface vessels
Dimensions
Diameter
533 mm
Length
7.9 m
Weight
Just over 2 t
Warhead
Type
200 to 300 kg
Fuse
Impact and magnetic proximity fuse
Guidance
Homing
Passive / active acoustic homing against submarines
Wake homing against surface vessels
Sensor model
Vodopad in USET-80
Keramika in USET-80K, 1.5 km range
Wire guidance
No
Propulsion
Power source
Silver-magnesium battery, activated by sea water
Copper-magnesium batteries used as well
Propulsion
Twin propeller wakeless propulsion
Speed
Up to 48 kt
Range
18 km at 43 kt
Launch depth
Up to 400 m
Target depth
Up to or over 1 km

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Type 65-76 Kit

Overview

Type 65-73
Type 65-76A

Origin
Soviet Union
Type
Heavyweight torpedo
Entered service
1976 for Type 65-76
1991 for Type 65-76A
Status
Limited service
Development
1969 - mid 1970's (design project)
1975 - 1976 (Soviet state trials)
1985 - 1986 (Type 65-76A)
Developer
Soviet Union - NII-400 (Gidropribor)
Production
Mid 1970's - late 1990's.
Producer
Soviet Union - Kirov plant
Designations
Kit (nickname)
Russian for "whale"
Type 65 (NATO reporting name)
Izdeliye 298 (article index)
Notable users
Soviet Union
Russia
Description
Introduction
The Type 65-76 torpedo is a very large Cold War era torpedo of Soviet origin. Due to their size the use of these weapon was limited to only a very few types of submarines. The Type 65 is one of the most capable anti-ship torpedoes in existence as it has a very high speed, a very long range and a very powerful payload. The Type 65 is also a very dangerous weapon system that needs to be handled with care due to its hydrogen peroxide fuel. A Type 65 torpedo has been blamed for the explosion that sunk the Russian Kursk nuclear powered missile submarine.

Design
The Type 65 may have started out as an up-scaled Type 53-65K torpedo. The Type 65 has a diameter of 650mm and a length of over 11 meters. Development started at the same time as the Type 65-73, which entered service earlier since as a non-homing torpedo it required less development. The wake homing seeker is located in the nose with the warhead directly behind it. The fuel and turbine engine make up most of the center. The use of high test peroxide fuel provides a lot of power, with the drawback of being highly volatile. Unusually the guidance section is in the rear. The two contra-rotating propellers are encased by control planes.

Guidance
The Type 65-76 is intended for use against surface vessels and uses acoustic wake homing. This method of homing is very difficult to jam. Inertial navigation by means of gyroscopes is used to guide the weapon to a position where the wake can be picked up. The Type 65-73A with improved signal processing capabilities was introduced in the early 1990's.

Firepower
The Type 65-76 torpedo has a warhead of at least 450 kg, making it powerful enough to sink an aircraft carrier with only one torpedo. The warhead has both impact and proximity fuses. Maximum range is about 50 km at its 50 kt maximum speed, or about 100 km at a slower pace of 30 kt.

Launch platforms
Type 65-76 torpedoes are solely used on Soviet/Russian submarines. Due to its size the 650mm torpedoes are only used on large submarines. Several Soviet SSN and SSBN designs since 1972 feature 650mm torpedo tubes, alongside 533mm torpedo tubes. Recent Russian submarines no longer feature 650mm tubes, slowly marking the end for this type of torpedo. Use on surface ships and coastal defense launchers has been proposed but haven't materialized.

Users
The Type 65-76 torpedo is only used by USSR, with all transferred to Russia. The accident with the Kursk led all Type 65's to be stored. However, they remained in limited use by 2019 and possibly today. Variants of 650mm torpedoes have been offered for export. There are reports that China adopted Type 65 technology

Facts Type 65-76

Origin
Soviet Union
Type
Heavyweight torpedo
Launch platform
Submarines
Target platform
Surface vessels
Dimensions
Diameter
650 mm
Length
11.0 m
Weight
Nearly 5 t
Warhead
Type
450 kg
Fuse
Impact and proximity fuse
Guidance
Homing
Acoustic wake homing
Inertial navigation towards target area
Wire guidance
No
Propulsion
Power source
High-test peroxide, kerosene, compressed air
Propulsion
2DT 1.450 hp gas turbine
Speed
50 kt
Range
50 km at 50 kt
100 km at 30 kt
Depth
Up to 150 m at launch
14 m operating depth

Variants
65-73 Entered service 1973, unguided torpedo. 20 kt Nuclear.
65-76 Kit (Russian: Кит, Whale) Entered service 1976.

Wake homing anti-ship weapon. Operates at 20 m depth. Sensor points upwards to detect the ships wake, the torpedo sweeps from side to side to find the edges of the wake.

65-76A Kit 100 km. Entered service 1991.

this was sent from my pad after have a look on my break at work hope it helps

Steel Shark

Badger343rd · 08-13-21, 08:09 AM

Thankyou...helps alot...2 questions though...you mentioned last night there was a guided 65...was it a proto type..did it see service?(wiki says Guidance
system
active/passive sonar and wire guidance

Secondly...in our weapons text files...are the distance/weights for sensors/warheads in metric or imperial? I see the 65-76 is 375 warhead but your post says 300kg.Is there a gameplay adjustment going on here...or a mistake? (I see there are also discrepancies in launch depth)

I "think" it's this:
weapon Kg
sensor yards
depth feet

goldmastersims · 08-13-21, 03:48 PM

Right now, 65-76 in DotMod initially runs at 50 knots and then slows down to 45 knots when active.

With the new changes in accordance with this data, the initial speed should be 30 knots with a 100km range and then 50 knots once the sensor goes active.

MaxLaunchDepth is 1575 right now, which is very excessive, so we can change this to the equivalent of 150m in feet.

08-12-21, 10:58 AM	#1
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 84 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	Russian torprdoe info Anyone out there with a comprehensive Russian Sub weapon sourse/documents? I'm having trouble with torpedoe attributes.For example 65-76 ,some sites say wire guided, some say no...it has TERMINAL wake homing but it still has to get there, making me think its still wire guided in initial stage of firing.Also the uset-80...does it have a wire guided version...found this which makes me question it. "USET-80KM Variant of USET-80K with mechanical fire control inputs, instead of digital as on USET-80 and -80K". What is meant by "mechanical fire control inputs"??

08-13-21, 06:13 AM	#2
steel shark XO Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 414 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 5	as requested we talked on Discord about this but hears the data as promised USET-80 УСЭТ-80 Overview Origin Soviet Union Type Heavyweight torpedo Entered service 1980 for USET-80 1989 for USET-80K Status In service Development 1964 - 1975 Developer Soviet Union - Gidropribor Production 1980's - present Producer Soviet Union - Dastan plant Kyrgyzstan - Dastan plant Unit cost 30 million Rubles in 2008 Designations УСЭТ-80 USET-80 / Universalnaya Samonavodyashchayasya Elektricheskaya Torpeda 1980 Russian for "universal homing electric torpedo" Izdeliye 2503 (article index) Notable users Soviet Union Russia Description Introduction The USET-80 is a late Cold War era heavyweight torpedo of Soviet origin. It was developed as a universal torpedo for use by submarines. A universal torpedo can be used against both submarines and surface targets. Design The USET-80 is a heavyweight torpedo with 533mm diameter. Soviet torpedoes of this diameter are longer than their Western counterparts. USET-80 uses electric propulsion which allows it to dive very deep. Possibly up to 1 km depth, or more. Maximum speed is reported between 45 and 48 knots. Guidance The USET-80 uses passive acoustic homing against submarines and active acoustic homing in the terminal phase. When employed against surface vessels the USET-80 uses acoustic wake homing. There is no wire guidance for mid course updates. The original USET-80 with its Vodopad acoustic sensor had a very poor track record in shallow waters and under the ice, while it worked well in deep open waters. For this reason the active homing SAET-60M was, and possible still is, used alongside the USET-80. The improved Keramika sensor in the USET-80K showed better results in shallow waters. Both sensor types were deemed of mediocre performance by late Cold War standards. Firepower The warhead of the USET-80 is in the 200 to 300 kg range, which is effective against both submarines and larger surface vessels. Detonation is either by impact or magnetic proximity fuse. Launch platforms The USET-80 can be launched by a wide range of late Cold War era Soviet submarines and modern Russian submarines. For several decades it was one of the main torpedoes found on Soviet/Russian submarines. Apparently it is not used on surface vessels or ASW aircraft. Users The USET-80 was adopted in quantity by the Soviet navy and continued in service with the Russian navy. The USET-80 and USET-80K remain in service today, even on modern submarines like Project 955 Borei class. Variants USET-80 Initial production version, first introduced in 1980. Fitted with "Vodopad" acoustic sensor. USET-80K Variant introduced in 1989. Fitted with "Keramika" acoustic sensor. USET-80KM Variant of USET-80K with mechanical fire control inputs, instead of digital as on USET-80 and -80K. TE2 Export variant of USET-80(K?) marketed in the early 2000's. Comes in three different models. Facts USET-80 Origin Soviet Union Type Heavyweight torpedo Launch platform Submarines Target platform Submarines and surface vessels Dimensions Diameter 533 mm Length 7.9 m Weight Just over 2 t Warhead Type 200 to 300 kg Fuse Impact and magnetic proximity fuse Guidance Homing Passive / active acoustic homing against submarines Wake homing against surface vessels Sensor model Vodopad in USET-80 Keramika in USET-80K, 1.5 km range Wire guidance No Propulsion Power source Silver-magnesium battery, activated by sea water Copper-magnesium batteries used as well Propulsion Twin propeller wakeless propulsion Speed Up to 48 kt Range 18 km at 43 kt Launch depth Up to 400 m Target depth Up to or over 1 km =============================================== Type 65-76 Kit Overview Type 65-73 Type 65-76A Origin Soviet Union Type Heavyweight torpedo Entered service 1976 for Type 65-76 1991 for Type 65-76A Status Limited service Development 1969 - mid 1970's (design project) 1975 - 1976 (Soviet state trials) 1985 - 1986 (Type 65-76A) Developer Soviet Union - NII-400 (Gidropribor) Production Mid 1970's - late 1990's. Producer Soviet Union - Kirov plant Designations Kit (nickname) Russian for "whale" Type 65 (NATO reporting name) Izdeliye 298 (article index) Notable users Soviet Union Russia Description Introduction The Type 65-76 torpedo is a very large Cold War era torpedo of Soviet origin. Due to their size the use of these weapon was limited to only a very few types of submarines. The Type 65 is one of the most capable anti-ship torpedoes in existence as it has a very high speed, a very long range and a very powerful payload. The Type 65 is also a very dangerous weapon system that needs to be handled with care due to its hydrogen peroxide fuel. A Type 65 torpedo has been blamed for the explosion that sunk the Russian Kursk nuclear powered missile submarine. Design The Type 65 may have started out as an up-scaled Type 53-65K torpedo. The Type 65 has a diameter of 650mm and a length of over 11 meters. Development started at the same time as the Type 65-73, which entered service earlier since as a non-homing torpedo it required less development. The wake homing seeker is located in the nose with the warhead directly behind it. The fuel and turbine engine make up most of the center. The use of high test peroxide fuel provides a lot of power, with the drawback of being highly volatile. Unusually the guidance section is in the rear. The two contra-rotating propellers are encased by control planes. Guidance The Type 65-76 is intended for use against surface vessels and uses acoustic wake homing. This method of homing is very difficult to jam. Inertial navigation by means of gyroscopes is used to guide the weapon to a position where the wake can be picked up. The Type 65-73A with improved signal processing capabilities was introduced in the early 1990's. Firepower The Type 65-76 torpedo has a warhead of at least 450 kg, making it powerful enough to sink an aircraft carrier with only one torpedo. The warhead has both impact and proximity fuses. Maximum range is about 50 km at its 50 kt maximum speed, or about 100 km at a slower pace of 30 kt. Launch platforms Type 65-76 torpedoes are solely used on Soviet/Russian submarines. Due to its size the 650mm torpedoes are only used on large submarines. Several Soviet SSN and SSBN designs since 1972 feature 650mm torpedo tubes, alongside 533mm torpedo tubes. Recent Russian submarines no longer feature 650mm tubes, slowly marking the end for this type of torpedo. Use on surface ships and coastal defense launchers has been proposed but haven't materialized. Users The Type 65-76 torpedo is only used by USSR, with all transferred to Russia. The accident with the Kursk led all Type 65's to be stored. However, they remained in limited use by 2019 and possibly today. Variants of 650mm torpedoes have been offered for export. There are reports that China adopted Type 65 technology Facts Type 65-76 Origin Soviet Union Type Heavyweight torpedo Launch platform Submarines Target platform Surface vessels Dimensions Diameter 650 mm Length 11.0 m Weight Nearly 5 t Warhead Type 450 kg Fuse Impact and proximity fuse Guidance Homing Acoustic wake homing Inertial navigation towards target area Wire guidance No Propulsion Power source High-test peroxide, kerosene, compressed air Propulsion 2DT 1.450 hp gas turbine Speed 50 kt Range 50 km at 50 kt 100 km at 30 kt Depth Up to 150 m at launch 14 m operating depth Variants 65-73 Entered service 1973, unguided torpedo. 20 kt Nuclear. 65-76 Kit (Russian: Кит, Whale) Entered service 1976. Wake homing anti-ship weapon. Operates at 20 m depth. Sensor points upwards to detect the ships wake, the torpedo sweeps from side to side to find the edges of the wake. 65-76A Kit 100 km. Entered service 1991. this was sent from my pad after have a look on my break at work hope it helps *Steel Shark* __________________ "History is Written by the Victors."

08-13-21, 08:09 AM	#3
Badger343rd Loader Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 84 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 3	Thankyou...helps alot...2 questions though...you mentioned last night there was a guided 65...was it a proto type..did it see service?(wiki says Guidance system active/passive sonar and wire guidance Secondly...in our weapons text files...are the distance/weights for sensors/warheads in metric or imperial? I see the 65-76 is 375 warhead but your post says 300kg.Is there a gameplay adjustment going on here...or a mistake? (I see there are also discrepancies in launch depth) I "think" it's this: weapon Kg sensor yards depth feet Last edited by Badger343rd; 08-13-21 at 08:41 AM.

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08-13-21, 03:48 PM	#4
goldmastersims Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 64 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	Right now, 65-76 in DotMod initially runs at 50 knots and then slows down to 45 knots when active. With the new changes in accordance with this data, the initial speed should be 30 knots with a 100km range and then 50 knots once the sensor goes active. MaxLaunchDepth is 1575 right now, which is very excessive, so we can change this to the equivalent of 150m in feet.