Opera seems to find the rocky bottom

Skybird · 01-17-20, 03:55 PM

Its years I used opera, and back in its days, verison 12 beign the alst I used I think, it was good, and fouzght for the suer'S privacy. Today, not so much anymore... With their shares in a steep death dive and now apparently being trapped in a violation of Google's terms and conditions and running a questionable credit model in Africa, you may consider to accept that times have chnaned - if you still are left on Opera.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...ged-today.aspx

If its dead, let it be dead then.

fred8615 · 01-17-20, 05:00 PM

Add in the fact they're owned by a Chinese company, and I wouldn't trust them if they were the last browser on Earth.

Skybird · 01-19-20, 04:17 AM

You could say the same about a US computer company or US developer.

Chrome? Edge? Its all about surveilling and enforcing free lanes for spying.

Catfish · 01-19-20, 04:28 AM

Best browser in that regard is 'Epic', from India.
Based on chrome, using a built-in vpn. No tracking, no ads. Usually use it on the tube (

) to not see those ads.
https://www.epicbrowser.com/

Skybird · 01-19-20, 10:35 AM

I live by the rule os taking it for granted that these days already hardwar eleaving the afactory is ionfested with govebnrment-ordered spyware or backdoors, in its ROMs, driverts, firmware. Security scanner software, firewalls, anti-virus etc. are helpless against this.

You cannot trust these companies. They bow to government order. And the govenrment never tells the people everything.

Being unable to evade this, is the reaosn why I call it naive to out trust in computer and network security. You can delay and annoy the sniffers, you can make it hard for them (and by doing so turning yourself into a suspect even more), but you cannot defeat them.

TOR is rumoured to be compromised. VPNs are planned to become illelgal. Point-to-point encryption they want to ban. In the end, the Western crime gangs named "governments" want the same what the Chinese are already doing. They just do not want to be called out for wanting and doing it. But they want the same total surveillance and private vulnerability of citizens. There is no difference between China, the US or Europe or Russia there. They all want the same.

01-17-20, 03:55 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Opera seems to find the rocky bottom Its years I used opera, and back in its days, verison 12 beign the alst I used I think, it was good, and fouzght for the suer'S privacy. Today, not so much anymore... With their shares in a steep death dive and now apparently being trapped in a violation of Google's terms and conditions and running a questionable credit model in Africa, you may consider to accept that times have chnaned - if you still are left on Opera. https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...ged-today.aspx If its dead, let it be dead then. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-17-20, 05:00 PM	#2
fred8615 Saint of the seas Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sorrento, Louisiana Posts: 1,320 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 127	Add in the fact they're owned by a Chinese company, and I wouldn't trust them if they were the last browser on Earth. __________________ Frederick J. Barnett Radio Stations & Music Captain's Desk Photos FJB Camera Pre Pearl Harbor Career Start Office links, Info Boxes, & 50 cal Crew Rank Fix Sub Class Info Real Subs SH4 Randomizer Sub Images Office Images Sub Pinups & Pics 24 Hour Clocks Office Posters Nav Map Make-Over Add-ons FJB Navigation Maps Office Window Chronographs Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done! Do you think that's easy?! - Gregory Peck, The Guns of Navarone.

01-19-20, 04:17 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You could say the same about a US computer company or US developer. Chrome? Edge? Its all about surveilling and enforcing free lanes for spying. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-19-20, 04:28 AM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Best browser in that regard is 'Epic', from India. Based on chrome, using a built-in vpn. No tracking, no ads. Usually use it on the tube () to not see those ads. https://www.epicbrowser.com/ __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-19-20, 10:35 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I live by the rule os taking it for granted that these days already hardwar eleaving the afactory is ionfested with govebnrment-ordered spyware or backdoors, in its ROMs, driverts, firmware. Security scanner software, firewalls, anti-virus etc. are helpless against this. You cannot trust these companies. They bow to government order. And the govenrment never tells the people everything. Being unable to evade this, is the reaosn why I call it naive to out trust in computer and network security. You can delay and annoy the sniffers, you can make it hard for them (and by doing so turning yourself into a suspect even more), but you cannot defeat them. TOR is rumoured to be compromised. VPNs are planned to become illelgal. Point-to-point encryption they want to ban. In the end, the Western crime gangs named "governments" want the same what the Chinese are already doing. They just do not want to be called out for wanting and doing it. But they want the same total surveillance and private vulnerability of citizens. There is no difference between China, the US or Europe or Russia there. They all want the same. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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