Why bother with the UN?

[tater]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ns-commission/

UN puts Iran on the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women.

You know, Iran. This Iran:


2004, 16 YO girl about to be stoned for crimes against chastity.


Sometimes they get hanged, instead (17 YO):



WTF. Seriously, WTF?

[Jimbuna]

I'd be asking them (UN) to look for a new location somewhere in a country that was unpredictable and potentially very volatile whilst reassuring them they're new friends would look after them.

IMHO the UN has got to be the most expensive quango on the planet Earth

[SteamWake]

Yes this Iran

http://www.newser.com/story/87215/ir...tan-women.html

The UN has been a joke for a long time. Bunch of popus gas bags full of themselves.

I do think its time to tell them to find a new home and use the assembly building for I dunno housing 'undocumented workers'. It would probably save money in the long run.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, the UN is joke at best.

[STEED]

UN are scum...

[krashkart]

Iran, eh? Either Iran has made rapid progress in women's rights, or the UN is just plain:

[TarJak]

The U.N. is humanities biggest waste of space we have yet come up with: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...n-peacekeeping

[QUOTE][/The UN has been a joke for a long time. Bunch of popus gas bags full of themselves.

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The UN is the result that comes from abunch of racist/nationalist/idealist pricks trying to throw thier vision on the world.
The reason the U N doesn;'t work is because the world contains too many pricks

OK children, what is the probability that somone takes the first word after "a bunch of" and tries to run with it

[tater]

For a period during the cold war, the UN wasn't entirely useless to the US interest (and West in general). The moment the UN ceased to be in our interest, we should have left it.

The moment the UN ceased to be in our interest, we should have left it.

There is a dance like that........hey mussolini

[CaptainHaplo]

I am all for getting the UN out of the US. However, I do think we need to keep a SINGLE representative there.

Why? Because if we didn't - we would lose our veto right (we are one of 5 countries that have it) and then we would end up seeing the UN being manipulated into an "alliance" of unfriendly nations that would, under the guise of UN "legitimacy" - attack our interests in any way they could. With a single represenative there, we can block such attempts.

Better to do so at a table than over crossed swords - when such is possible.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

There is a dance like that........hey mussolini

Our interest is all that matters to me. The US interest. As long as the UN is a net plus to the US interest, it is useful.

The UN as some sort of moral imperative is nonsense, clearly. Despots sitting on committees related to human rights, etc. It's a joke, a bad joke. Perhaps Iran could chair the gay rights council if they ever get one. They can share tips on the humane execution of boys who happen to have been born gay.

That's the trouble. They let everyone in, that's the idea. But the reality is that many countries don't deserve to have a say. COurse that goes to the highest level. Hell, the CCCP was in the UN even as it was the greatest murdering nation in human history. The PRC still is, and they passed Russia a while ago. And both those places can veto us.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I am all for getting the UN out of the US. However, I do think we need to keep a SINGLE representative there.

Why? Because if we didn't - we would lose our veto right (we are one of 5 countries that have it) and then we would end up seeing the UN being manipulated into an "alliance" of unfriendly nations that would, under the guise of UN "legitimacy" - attack our interests in any way they could. With a single represenative there, we can block such attempts.

Better to do so at a table than over crossed swords - when such is possible.

I agree.

That is sort of what we have been doing in the Security Council. The US has used its Veto the 2nd most number of times, second only to Russia/Soviet Union- and the most of the Soviet Union's vetoes were done during the early years of the UN.

Every time a motion comes up condemning Israel we are the lone veto. Since the fall of the Soviet Union only the US and Russia have used vetoes, the US has done so 13 times and the Russians 4.

[Respenus]

I am in no mood to point out yet again the fallacies people make when talking about international organisations and looking at just one aspect of the whole god damned picture. I agree, having people who would do everything to prevent the respect for human rights is a damn shame, but that's the way the rules were written, at a different time, for a different international community. Plus, behind every international organisation there is hope that state through their representatives and working with others, will socialise and integrate certain norms we take for granted. It doesn't work, yet again, as most people like to do, just because one person isn't changed or goes against the system, the whole system must be at fault.

Plus, I would recommend to check the UN website and see what else they are doing and you'll soon realise, that for people outside the comfort zone that we have created for ourselves, sitting behind nice desks with internet access, the UN has been at the forefront for helping those who are less fortunate and making the world, a nicer place than it was before it was created. Oh, and before making comments as to the toothless nature of the beast, read the UN Charter. The law is set, just the political will due to the Cold war was missing in order to create a powerful UN, international force.

This was just something quick, from the top of my head. When I'll have more time, I'll be certain to answer in more detail. Just remember one thing. Be glad that there are organisations that you perceive as undemocratic (as if any state truly is, thus their agglomeration isn't as well) and enforcing their "will", as sometimes, and I must stress this, sometimes something good, which could newer had happened without them, comes out and it is worth all the troubles.

Our interest is all that matters to me. The US interest.

Good , next time some muppet mentions appeasement you can say it wasn't in Britains or Frances interests to stand up for some distant foriegn land.

Perhaps Iran could chair the gay rights council if they ever get one.

Thats funny, Iran like the crazy fundamentalists in your country views homosexuality as a sickness. Did you know it is a leading nation when it comes to sex change operations to "cure" the "sickness".

Ok fair's fair, the crazy fundamentalists in Iran run the country since they sidelined all the other people in the revolution to put the countryon its "right" path, the crazy fundamentalists in your country just want a revolution to put the country on its "right" path