I'm sad I bought SHIV

[ERPP8]

I got it for Christmas and I had fun.
But after a few weeks I noticed the following things:

1. The campaigns suck
1.1 You get the same mission over and over
1.2 All merchants are armed
1.3 I know RSRDC fixes that but other things stopped it from making a difference

2. I got really bad mod soup
2.1 The Ohio SSBN changed it so the only available torps are the MK-48(great but inaccurate) and the anti ship missile(which sucked)

3. The U-Boat mission expansion sucked
3.1 You always end up patroling an area for ever
3.2 Ops Monsoon fixed that but the planes could see you when your 500 ft down

4. There's no interior except the conning tower, command room and bridge


All this made it painful to play

[capthelm]

sounds to me your wasting your money buying sub simulation games.

[Gilbou]

I got both SH3 and SH4.

I play german side on both. SH4 has some added things like, doing circles in map is more precise, better graphics, better ocean floor, and so on.

On SH3 I use SH3 + GWX

On SH4 I am trying :

RSRDC + Op Monsun + Omegu

What mods have you combined and tried with SH4 ?

If you like to play Uboats, SH3 with GWX would perhaps be a better experience for you.

[ETR3(SS)]

1. The campaigns suck
1.1 You get the same mission over and over
1.2 All merchants are armed
1.3 I know RSRDC fixes that but other things stopped it from making a difference

Stock out of the box, yep the game isn't that great.That's what all the mods are for. And to think, the game was worse when it first came out!

2. I got really bad mod soup

Can't blame that one on the game.

2.1 The Ohio SSBN changed it so the only available torps are the MK-48(great but inaccurate) and the anti ship missile(which sucked)

If I recall correctly it only did that for the Ohio. Sure the Mk48 and TASM replaced a couple of torpedoes, but it still left you at least three to choose from for other boats.

3. The U-Boat mission expansion sucked
3.1 You always end up patroling an area for ever
3.2 Ops Monsoon fixed that but the planes could see you when your 500 ft down

Can't speak much to that. If I wanted to play U boats, I played SH3, not SH4+U boat missions.

4. There's no interior except the conning tower, command room and bridge

I have the feeling that this opinion is brought forward by SH5. That's a part of progressing the series.

[d@rk51d3]

If you have 1.5 Give OM, and OMEGU, a shot.

I also use a couple of sound mods too.........Poul's and EAX. While it does mix some US and German, it's still fun to use.



..........I'm slowly weaning off of SH3 with these.

[ERPP8]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Stock out of the box, yep the game isn't that great.That's what all the mods are for. And to think, the game was worse when it first came out!

Can't blame that one on the game.

If I recall correctly it only did that for the Ohio. Sure the Mk48 and TASM replaced a couple of torpedoes, but it still left you at least three to choose from for other boats.

Can't speak much to that. If I wanted to play U boats, I played SH3, not SH4+U boat missions.

I have the feeling that this opinion is brought forward by SH5. That's a part of progressing the series.

It's not meant to be "Why SHIV sucks" it's why I don't like SHIV

[AVGWarhawk]

Uninstall it and reintall fresh. Just go for the German things Lurker has created. It will prevent mod soup. I have uninstalled and reinstalled numerous times when my game acts funny.

[SloppyMk27]

You may not agree with me, but my opinion is, SHIV is probably the best sub simulator out there. It's the happy medium between SHIII and SHV. SHIII had grainy graphics, much more functionality and they seemed to pay closer attention to historical details. In SHIV the graphics got better, I can't say much for the campaigns (go patrol this area, sink ships and come home. and repeat). Some functionality was gained while some functionality was lost. I'll agree the U-Boat Missions Expansion for SHIV was a band-aid for the game to add U-Boats to it. Then we have SHV. You got the interior you asked for, and they took away everything else. My hope for SHV solely rests with the modders here in Subsim. Some modders are working on some fantastic mods for this train wreck. There are a lot of mods out for SH4, and I believe if you go through some of the modding tutorials you may be able to make SH4 how you want it to be. SH4 from my experiences seems to be the most flexible for modding. The file structure is better laid out than SHIII and you can use S3d instead of being forced to use SHV's "Goblin Editor" which I believe is also a train wreck for modding SHV.
Anyway I hope this sheds some positive light on SHIV. Knowing and learning how to fix and change the game makes things better, as does alcohol

[Armistead]

You get out of it what you're willing to learn to put in it...and yes it takes a combo of right mods for each.

I just ran into one large convoy of 40 ships and as I escaped it here comes another...almost did me in...Went for a quick refit at Guam and sat in the Sibuyan Sea for battle of Leyte and watched 100 US planes attack Kurita's Center Force...I'm tracking ahead waiting until damage is done and I'll go in for some easier kills. Sure hope they get lots of bombs in the Yamato.

Here's a couple recent battles.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/7951006058
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/5031017848

[Scurvy]

I love SHIV and I don't even have any mods installed.

Actually, a while back, before my hard drive crashed, I attempted a few mods and they didn't work very well for me and I gave up on them.

Not that I'm a computer noob, but I just don't have the time to tinker with things like I used to (I'm a dispatcher for 9-1-1 and have a wife and child and three ferrets, aging parents, a father that's a WWII veteran with early stages of Alzheimer's and an AR-15 and Glock 23 and Bersa .380 and other guns to shoot at the range and bushcraft skills to perfect in the wilderness and simply don't have the time to devote to tweaking one of the only simulators on my PC that I can find time to enjoy).

One of these days, probably next winter, when my outdoor hobbies are finished for the season, I'll seriously check out the mods.

Until then, I'm completely satisfied with vanilla SHIV. It's the only sim that I can find happiness, employing survival skills to successfully destroy enemy ships and then leisurely spending hours to park my boat in dock at Pearl Harbor, while enjoying the sight-seeing aspect of it all. There's something magical about that that no other game or simulator has ever provided me.

Edit: And, with this post, now I'msk Popeye! More surprises, at every turn!

[Gibus]

Originally Posted by Scurvy

Until then, I'm completely satisfied with vanilla SHIV.

Can you explain the word "vanilla". In French, this correspond to a spice and I d'not understand the relationship with SHIV.
Thanks.

[BillBam]

Originally Posted by Gibus

Can you explain the word "vanilla". In French, this correspond to a spice and I d'not understand the relationship with SHIV.
Thanks.

Vanilla is without added flavors, SH4 vanilla is without MODS.

[Gibus]

OK.
So I play with pepper !

[Harmsway!]

That's right if you are not happy with the plate put in front of you spice it up. You may find its not that bad after all.

[orangehat44]

Read the mod threads and read me's every one ive come across is pretty straight forward on what its compatable with and what its not. Mod soup is noones fault but laziness. SH 3 and 4 are poor with out at least game fixes mods. and the super mods and enviornment mods turn them into jems. I have 2 versions of SH4 installed so I can play TMO on one comp and OM on the other.


And Im not trying to be an ass. but whats the point of putting up a thread saying the game sucks in your opinion in a forum for that game. Either ask a specific question that might alieviate your problems, or dont bother posting. With all the hard work that the modders have pored into the game doesnt justify posts saying it "sucks". Most of the people, modders and simmers alike are very eager to help people get the most out of these games. And Id have already ignored the games as crap had I not found this forum.


Most of your "points" of why the game sucks are "this sucks that sucks" talk about using the word in the definition. Yes we know the stock campaigns are alittle poor, hence the super mods. The game is a world war 2 sub simulation. What other orders did you expect to recieve as a uboat captain other than go sink ships with the ocasional recon. "all the merchants are armed" its a war..... and after a certain date yea most of them will be armed. would you captain a merchant ship in know areas of uboat operation and do so unarmed.

If you have any interest in the game rework your reasons for it sucking to questions on how to improve and you'll prob get alot of us to offer you help. But sounds your not interested in this kinda game.


One final note that to me just makes it all sound like a troll is you say "Your sorry you bought SHIV" But in the first line you state it was given to you for christmas.

So you shouldnt have anything to be sorry about.