correct early type VIIC this time please!

oscar19681 · 08-25-09, 05:21 PM

In SH3 early type VIIC was not correct the Turm and the deck railing was weird and just didnt feel right. I always stuck with th VIIB for this reason in sh3. I hope they get this right this time.

TH0R · 08-26-09, 01:56 AM

Same here. In the end I switched to SHIV because SHIII lacked proper VIIC and wolfpacks...

Fingers crossed they do it right this time.

Kaleun_Endrass · 08-26-09, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TH0R

I switched to SHIV because SHIII lacked proper VIIC and wolfpacks...

SH4 lacked wolfpacks too.

JU_88 · 08-26-09, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleun_Endrass

SH4 lacked wolfpacks too.

Yeah it had a couple of IJN subs, but they had no AI routines and no nothing, they were just for decoration.

Lorient Bunker · 08-26-09, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

In SH3 early type VIIC was not correct the Turm and the deck railing was weird and just didnt feel right.

And also more obviously in my opinon, was that the VIIA didn't show the external stern torpedo tube.

oscar19681 · 08-26-09, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorient Bunker

And also more obviously in my opinon, was that the VIIA didn't show the external stern torpedo tube.

Thats strange there was no VIIA in sh-3

Lorient Bunker · 08-27-09, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

Thats strange there was no VIIA in sh-3

I've just double checked and you're right, can't think where I got that one from.

Anyway it would be nice to have the VIIA in the new game, if they manage to include ship launched torpedoes then the VIIA's external tube should be no problem.

minispace · 08-27-09, 04:29 PM

Are there any pictures that show the differences between early/late Type VIICs? I'm fascinated by variants within ship classes.

I've also read that boats from different shipyards had minor variations. I would love to be able to customize my u-boat in SH5 with my favorite part from each variant.

-Alex

Sledgehammer427 · 08-29-09, 07:00 AM

WELCOME TO SUBSIM!

(great, now I'm doing the sunny thing too)

well, Alex, there's not too many differences, and by all means guys if i'm wrong, please correct me.
there were 3 variants of the type VII, the VIIA, VIIB, and VIIC.

-the VIIA had a single rudder and an externally mounted torpedo tube, which was unreloadable until the U-boat reached port.
-The type VIIB had a re-loadable stern tube, and switched over to a twin rudder configuration.
-The Type VIIC was the final improvement that saw widespread use and is the most instantly recognizable of the three. The C variant had a slightly thicker pressure hull, allowing it to dive slightly deeper, but the thicker hull meant more weight, which slowed the boat down by abut a knot and a half.

the main differences you will find is in the towers.
-the normal tower had a single flak gun deck, on the A and B variants, the trailing edge sloped inward, on the C variant, it slopes outward.
-the second version had the single flak gun deck, but another flack gun deck was added on behind and lower than the original. this was considered a "quick fix" because of the short amount of time it takes to add on the new flak deck. allowing the U-boat to be in and out in a matter of days to a couple of weeks
-the third version had the same as the second, but the lower deck was larger to accomodate an even larger flak gun. these were usually 3.7 cm (as opposed to a single or double 20mm) or a 20mm flakvierling (that's 4 flak guns.)
-the last tower was only used on maybe 6 boats, this had the 3rd towers setup, but added another flak platform in front of the tower, making 3 flak guns for the ultimate in AA defense!

hope I was of some help!

minispace · 08-31-09, 07:53 PM

Very informative, thanks!

Hopefully we'll be able to command all of those type VII variants, even the ones that, historically, only a few were ever made.

-Alex

andycaccia · 09-19-09, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Yeah it had a couple of IJN subs, but they had no AI routines and no nothing, they were just for decoration.

Maybe this time we will see british S, T class boats hunting us now...

09-19-09, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Yeah it had a couple of IJN subs, but they had no AI routines and no nothing, they were just for decoration.

and they were unsinkable and indestructable too

kstanb · 09-19-09, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaleun_Endrass

SH4 lacked wolfpacks too.

wolpacks were not that important in the Pacific campaign, Japanese convoys were also quite small compared to the typical 70+ ship Atlantic convoy, so wolpacks were not relevant for SHIV (expect ATO).

wolpacks are extremely important in SHV

08-25-09, 05:21 PM	#1
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	correct early type VIIC this time please! In SH3 early type VIIC was not correct the Turm and the deck railing was weird and just didnt feel right. I always stuck with th VIIB for this reason in sh3. I hope they get this right this time. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

08-29-09, 07:00 AM	#9
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,908 Downloads: 287 Uploads: 0	WELCOME TO SUBSIM! (great, now I'm doing the sunny thing too) well, Alex, there's not too many differences, and by all means guys if i'm wrong, please correct me. there were 3 variants of the type VII, the VIIA, VIIB, and VIIC. -the VIIA had a single rudder and an externally mounted torpedo tube, which was unreloadable until the U-boat reached port. -The type VIIB had a re-loadable stern tube, and switched over to a twin rudder configuration. -The Type VIIC was the final improvement that saw widespread use and is the most instantly recognizable of the three. The C variant had a slightly thicker pressure hull, allowing it to dive slightly deeper, but the thicker hull meant more weight, which slowed the boat down by abut a knot and a half. the main differences you will find is in the towers. -the normal tower had a single flak gun deck, on the A and B variants, the trailing edge sloped inward, on the C variant, it slopes outward. -the second version had the single flak gun deck, but another flack gun deck was added on behind and lower than the original. this was considered a "quick fix" because of the short amount of time it takes to add on the new flak deck. allowing the U-boat to be in and out in a matter of days to a couple of weeks -the third version had the same as the second, but the lower deck was larger to accomodate an even larger flak gun. these were usually 3.7 cm (as opposed to a single or double 20mm) or a 20mm flakvierling (that's 4 flak guns.) -the last tower was only used on maybe 6 boats, this had the 3rd towers setup, but added another flak platform in front of the tower, making 3 flak guns for the ultimate in AA defense! hope I was of some help! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

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08-26-09, 01:56 AM	#2
TH0R XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 420 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Same here. In the end I switched to SHIV because SHIII lacked proper VIIC and wolfpacks... Fingers crossed they do it right this time.

08-27-09, 04:29 PM	#8
minispace Watch Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 24 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Are there any pictures that show the differences between early/late Type VIICs? I'm fascinated by variants within ship classes. I've also read that boats from different shipyards had minor variations. I would love to be able to customize my u-boat in SH5 with my favorite part from each variant. -Alex

08-31-09, 07:53 PM	#10
minispace Watch Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 24 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Very informative, thanks! Hopefully we'll be able to command all of those type VII variants, even the ones that, historically, only a few were ever made. -Alex