Swine Flu (H1N1) Alert.........not

07-09-09, 05:10 PM

This is a control issue. The scientists are all confused, so now its an epidemic/pandemic. This is the problem with science, when people's livelyhood depends on someone else's gravitas anything is possible for science.

Parts of Britain "near an H1N1 epidemic"; 14 dead

All 14 who have died had underlying health issues and it was not clear in how many cases the patients had died as a direct result of the virus, known as swine flu.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

baggygreen · 07-09-09, 05:45 PM

Thats like our federal health minister.

"as of 1 o'clock, 1600 austalians are suffereing from swine flu".

No, they're not. 1600 Australians have been diagnosed over the past 3 months as having contracted swine flu, most are now recovered.

Iits all about fear and control.

joegrundman · 07-09-09, 07:03 PM

Epidemic and pandemic are technical terms used by science and the medical profession to mean specific things, and they are not related to "how scared you should be". That is the business of the media, and it is the business of fools to get into high moral dudgeon over it.

Epidemic is in contrast with endemic, for example

Endemic is when a disease is stable in a population. It doesn't matter whether the incidence is rare, such as bubonic plague today, or common, such as malaria, if the incidence isn't changing in a population over time, it is endemic.

An epidemic is when the incidence is increasing sharply over time. It is irrelevant whether there is still overall a low incidence or high incidence, if it is increasing sharply it is an epidemic. It is also irrelevant how dangerous the disease is. It can be totally lethal or have absolutely no lethality, it is just a description of it's growth rate. Since there were no cases of Swine flu two years ago and now the UK has over a thousand cases, it is an epidemic.

A Pandemic is an epidemic that is global scope, or at least very widespread. Since Swine Flu incidence is reported to be growing in UK, USA, Japan and others, it can be said to not be a localised epidemic, and so a pandemic.

07-09-09, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

Epidemic and pandemic are technical terms used by science and the medical profession to mean specific things, and they are not related to "how scared you should be". That is the business of the media, and it is the business of fools to get into high moral dudgeon over it.

Epidemic is in contrast with endemic, for example

Endemic is when a disease is stable in a population. It doesn't matter whether the incidence is rare, such as bubonic plague today, or common, such as malaria, if the incidence isn't changing in a population over time, it is endemic.

An epidemic is when the incidence is increasing sharply over time. It is irrelevant whether there is still overall a low incidence or high incidence, if it is increasing sharply it is an epidemic. It is also irrelevant how dangerous the disease is. It can be totally lethal or have absolutely no lethality, it is just a description of it's growth rate. Since there were no cases of Swine flu two years ago and now the UK has over a thousand cases, it is an epidemic.

A Pandemic is an epidemic that is global scope, or at least very widespread. Since Swine Flu incidence is reported to be growing in UK, USA, Japan and others, it can be said to not be a localised epidemic, and so a pandemic.

Wow! You should be our medical advisor sinse the press does such a poor job of reporting. Thank you for the explaination.

Buddahaid · 07-09-09, 08:27 PM

Swine flu still needs to be taken seriously in spite of media shock stories. Swine flu has the same demographic as the 1918 flu, in that it has killed people in their 20-40's instead of the young and old, which is opposite to the strains we deal with usually. The 1918 flu first appeared in the spring and didn't amount to too much, then after having spread around the world and mutating, it came back in the fall and killed millions. It takes six to eight months to develop a flu vaccine, so in the fall the vaccine that's being made now might well be ineffective. The good news is we know a lot more about how flu viruses spread and can take better precautions. This is not alarmist, just good preparation. Hospitals and other emergency preparedness centers are stockpiling Theraflu as a precaution if the vaccine is useless. It will most likely not become as serious as 1918, but we can't act as if it won't.

Buddahaid

Monica Lewinsky · 07-09-09, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Swine flu still needs to be taken seriously

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07-09-09, 05:10 PM	#1
CastleBravo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Swine Flu (H1N1) Alert.........not This is a control issue. The scientists are all confused, so now its an epidemic/pandemic. This is the problem with science, when people's livelyhood depends on someone else's gravitas anything is possible for science. Parts of Britain "near an H1N1 epidemic"; 14 dead All 14 who have died had underlying health issues and it was not clear in how many cases the patients had died as a direct result of the virus, known as swine flu. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

07-09-09, 07:03 PM	#3
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Epidemic and pandemic are technical terms used by science and the medical profession to mean specific things, and they are not related to "how scared you should be". That is the business of the media, and it is the business of fools to get into high moral dudgeon over it. Epidemic is in contrast with endemic, for example Endemic is when a disease is stable in a population. It doesn't matter whether the incidence is rare, such as bubonic plague today, or common, such as malaria, if the incidence isn't changing in a population over time, it is endemic. An epidemic is when the incidence is increasing sharply over time. It is irrelevant whether there is still overall a low incidence or high incidence, if it is increasing sharply it is an epidemic. It is also irrelevant how dangerous the disease is. It can be totally lethal or have absolutely no lethality, it is just a description of it's growth rate. Since there were no cases of Swine flu two years ago and now the UK has over a thousand cases, it is an epidemic. A Pandemic is an epidemic that is global scope, or at least very widespread. Since Swine Flu incidence is reported to be growing in UK, USA, Japan and others, it can be said to not be a localised epidemic, and so a pandemic. __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

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07-09-09, 05:45 PM	#2
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Thats like our federal health minister. "as of 1 o'clock, 1600 austalians are suffereing from swine flu". No, they're not. 1600 Australians have been diagnosed over the past 3 months as having contracted swine flu, most are now recovered. Iits all about fear and control.

07-09-09, 08:27 PM	#5
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Swine flu still needs to be taken seriously in spite of media shock stories. Swine flu has the same demographic as the 1918 flu, in that it has killed people in their 20-40's instead of the young and old, which is opposite to the strains we deal with usually. The 1918 flu first appeared in the spring and didn't amount to too much, then after having spread around the world and mutating, it came back in the fall and killed millions. It takes six to eight months to develop a flu vaccine, so in the fall the vaccine that's being made now might well be ineffective. The good news is we know a lot more about how flu viruses spread and can take better precautions. This is not alarmist, just good preparation. Hospitals and other emergency preparedness centers are stockpiling Theraflu as a precaution if the vaccine is useless. It will most likely not become as serious as 1918, but we can't act as if it won't. Buddahaid