Government going after Private Pilots

[Sea Demon]

Here we go:

http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...090219tsa.html

Hey, lets set the stage to go after private pilots now. More big government intrusions here. Thanks Obamabots and all voters for bigger, unnecessary, and more intrusive government.

[Zachstar]

You know I might have gave a flying hell but if pilots feel the blame is the "Obamabots" AKA the American Public who decided in a fair and clear election then they can take a hike.

[Sea Demon]

Oh, I know you don't care about other people's freedoms or liberties. I know you don't care about people pursuing their own interests....even private aviation. It's too bad that you don't. Just wait until the intrusive and overburdening government you vote for decides that something you like to do is "risky" and needs "management". This is something Democrats never seem to understand.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You know I might have gave a flying hell but if pilots feel the blame is the "Obamabots" AKA the American Public who decided in a fair and clear election then they can take a hike.

How do I get this through to you... The public at large voted for an image, a portrayel, a demigod. They were duped or were hoping for a hand out.

They had no clue as to the actual agenda.

I have to agree with the OP big intrusive goverment telling me what I can drive, what I can drink, what I can smoke, what I can fly, is not what this country needs.

Of course I already know I'm waisting my breath.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

How do I get this through to you... The public at large voted for an image, a portrayel, a demigod. They were duped or were hoping for a hand out.

They had no clue as to the actual agenda.

I have to agree with the OP big intrusive goverment telling me what I can drive, what I can drink, what I can smoke, what I can fly, is not what this country needs.

Of course I already know I'm waisting my breath.

I have to agree hear.

[August]

So you're saying that the Obama administration authored this proposal?

You know I generally support conservatives but if you're going to out moonbat the moonbats I might consider changing the way I vote next time.

[GoldenRivet]

Obama is not really the issue... as a "righty" even i can see this.

The Transportation Security Administration is the issue.

Lets be fair now... remember who established those goons? Bush did.

Unfortunately, the problem is that the TSA with their thirst for power and dominance in the galaxy are wanting to impose the very same security standards to private flying as they do to airline flying.

This means that if you are a private pilot, under the TSA's new proposal, if you fly a certain type of aircraft you wont even be allowed to let your own mother on board for a local scenic tour if she is on the no fly list for whatever reason.

it also means that you and your friends will have to undergo screening, and you will not be able to bring certain liquids or gels aboard the aircraft.

so far this only applies to aircraft which weigh more than 12,500 lbs (or have 6 or more seats* though i dont know about the seat number being an issue for a fact)

the problem here is... what happens when the TSA wants more in a few years?

what happens when you are required to go through a security portal to access and operate YOUR private property?

because its coming.

[Enigma]

I'm a Ga pilot, and I'm an AOPA member. Let me just say that laying this at the feet of Democrats is hilarious.

In November 2007, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Michael Chertoff introduced the Large Aircraft Security Program (LASP) at NATA's Aviation Business Roundtable in Washington, D.C. Prior public comments by TSA officials, as well as information provided by the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), explained that the new security program will require operators of aircraft with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of more than 12,500 pounds to obtain and implement the TSA's Large Aircraft Security Program. This is the same category of aircraft that today must comply with the Twelve-Five Standard Security Program if used in air charter operations. The proposed rule, if adopted, will apply to privately operated aircraft.

So, this program came to fruition under Bush's Presidency, by a man nominated by Bush.

Regardless of your opinion of the program, and personally I feel who is President has little to do with it, this is a glaring example of your unhinged need to smear anybody standing left of center, that is , anyone who disagrees with you, to the point where anything will do. It's pathetic.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by August

So you're saying that the Obama administration authored this proposal?

You know I generally support conservatives but if you're going to out moonbat the moonbats I might consider changing the way I vote next time.

No. I never mention Obama. Only Obamabots. I just see big government intrusion here. And the party that is most likely to support something like this is the Democrat Party. With them in total control right now, I see them carrying this with some alacrity.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Enigma

I'm a Ga pilot, and I'm an AOPA member. Let me just say that laying this at the feet of Democrats is hilarious.

I'm a California Private Pilot and also an AOPA member. So as somebody who fly's, why vote for the people most likely to carry it far enough to make this happen. It's no secret why AOPA is worried now. Even if you don't realize what can happen here, many in AOPA do.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

No. I never mention Obama.

You didn't? If you know that President Obama had nothing to do with this TSA proposal then why add it?

Like I said, out-moonbatting the moonbats is not the way to go.

Hey, lets set the stage to go after private pilots now. More big government intrusions here. Thanks Obamabots and all voters for bigger, unnecessary, and more intrusive government

Why didn't you make this topic before the election ?
You know when it was drawn up under tha last administration ?
You do realise that it was published under the last government under rules set by the last government don't you ?
The TSA invited people and organisations to comment on the proposals before the election , if you object so much why didn't you comment then ?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by August

You didn't? Then explain this statement in the OP:

If you know that President Obama had nothing to do with this TSA proposal then why add this?

Like I said, out-moonbatting the moonbats is not the way to go.

Re-read my post above. Him and his voters are two different people. One votes for big government like this. One is the executive who is likely to support big government initiatives. That is a legitimate concern. Nowhere do I say he authored it, nor do I say that he is doing anything in relation to it. Calm down August.

[Enigma]

Well, then as an AOPA pilot you know that the AOPA has been concerned about this and programs like it since 9/11. All of which, except for 30 days, has been under a Republican administration. Yet, you immediately name "Obamabots" (how original) as those to be "thanked" for such "government intrusion". It's glaring proof of your unflinching bias in the face of facts. Point, case, etc.

Had you just posted the details, or your personal dislike for the program, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, we might have a good and reasonable conversation about the program, based on facts,and as pilots and AOPA members. Maybe you should take this little lesson as an indication that your constant barrage of political yakking is self defeating.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Why didn't you make this topic before the election ?
You know when it was drawn up under tha last administration ?
You do realise that it was published under the last government under rules set by the last government don't you ?
The TSA invited people and organisations to comment on the proposals before the election , if you object so much why didn't you comment then ?

I actually did complain about big government under the last administration. I will always complain about government intrusion whether it comes from Republicans or Democrats. No. I didn't like Bush when he acted like Democrats. But nobody under the last administration seemed as bent as this current government to propose and limit people's activities. So it is an issue now. Bush nor Obama have indicated anything leading to punish, or limit private pilots. But in the current political environment.....you never know. I think that's why AOPA has made it an issue as a potential pre-emptive safeguard. My issue is, why put people into power who are likely to limit your free choices, or make it difficult to pursue an interest in aviation.