Counting the lies.....

[Enigma]

LYING MCCAIN
It's become pathological. John McCain just claimed on TV that Sarah Palin has never requested an earmark for her state -- when actually her state gets more earmarks than any other state in the country. And this year she asked for $197 million worth of them herself.

Even the AP couldn't ignore his lying -- even though they phrased it in their own anemic way. "When pressed about Palin's record of requesting and accepting such money for Alaska, McCain ignored the record and said: "Not as governor she didn't."

For the record Palin requested $197 million this year and $256 million last year. Per capita, that's $288 this year and $376 last year.

To give you some perspective, Palin herself requested at least ten times the dollar value of earmarks as most states get total every year.
TPM.com

The question is, is there anything McCain/Palin Haven't lied about? We all know politicians of any stripe tend to massage the truth, but this pair are two of the biggest lying liars in the history of the game. I'll be updating this thread with repeated lies on a regular basis. This is merely an appetizer....

[SUBMAN1]

Don't even make me start in on Obama, such as not being a Muslim, etc.

-S

[sunvalleyslim]

[quote=SUBMAN1]Don't even make me start in on Obama, such as not being a Muslim, etc.


Right On Subman1.......................The campaigns all throw out B.S. t That's what U.S. politics is about........what a shame.................

[Skybird]

One thing is certain. Watergate does not matter. Iran-Contra-affair is of no concern. Failed wars being launched - who cares.

A Democrat's president putting his Willy where it did not belong, and trying to hide that from the public while the other party tries to parade him through the streets over that like a trophy - that is the all important issue american history is made of! Hallelujah!

Who needs real world politics? Hypocritic "values" is what we need!

"We train young men to drop fire on people - but their commanders won't allow them to write FU CK! on their aeroplane, because: it's "obscene". (Kurtz in "Apoicalyse Now")

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Campaigns sell BS because people buy BS more than anything else

That's why the masses stink. Intelligence eventually I only see in the single person. The greater the crowd, the more intelligence dies. Stupidity and intelligence - are social phenomenons before anything else.

[fatty]

Originally Posted by Skybird

One thing is certain. Watergate does not matter. Iran-Contra-affair is of no concern. Failed wars being launched - who cares.

A Democrat's president putting his Willy where it did not belong, and trying to hide that from the public while the other party tries to parade him through the streets over that like a trophy - that is the all important issue american history is made of! Hallelujah!

Who needs real world politics? Hypocritic "values" is what we need!

"We train young men to drop fire on people - but their commanders won't allow them to write FU CK! on their aeroplane, because: it's "obscene". (Kurtz in "Apoicalyse Now")

That's why the masses stink. Intelligence eventually I only see in the single person. The greater the crowd, the more intelligence dies. Stupidity and intelligence - are social phenomenons before anything else.

You have in a few short paragraphs summarized while I will never ever go into politics, at least maybe beyond the municipal level. To the majority, policy means nothing. Your haircut or who you're dating are much more interesting.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Originally Posted by fatty

Your haircut or who you're dating are much more interesting.

More interesting -

http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

[Neptunus Rex]

Originally Posted by Skybird

One thing is certain. Watergate does not matter. Iran-Contra-affair is of no concern. Failed wars being launched - who cares.

A Democrat's president putting his Willy where it did not belong, and trying to hide that from the public while the other party tries to parade him through the streets over that like a trophy - that is the all important issue american history is made of! Hallelujah!

Who needs real world politics? Hypocritic "values" is what we need!

"We train young men to drop fire on people - but their commanders won't allow them to write FU CK! on their aeroplane, because: it's "obscene". (Kurtz in "Apoicalyse Now")

That's why the masses stink. Intelligence eventually I only see in the single person. The greater the crowd, the more intelligence dies. Stupidity and intelligence - are social phenomenons before anything else.

Well, well, well. Look who decides to poke his head into what can surely be considered a purely American concern.

Wasn't it you who suggested that America should stick to it's own interests. Is it American conservatives that you despise or all such people. Or is it Americans in general?

I seem to recall you didn't have too high of an opinion of your own President when she was running for office.

Crawl back under that rock of yours! Judging from the news accounts in the last few years, Europeans need to be paying a liittle more attention to their own front yard before concerning themselves with the neighbor's.

NObama, NObama, NObama!

[Task Force]

Seems the only truthful thing they have said is there name. (possiably)

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Sounds like a full time job
Subman, your trolls used to be somewhat more subtle :rotfl:

Are you really this dumb on what the definition of trolling is? :hmm: You attack me directly once again when I am simply responding to the subject at hand? I know you're not that bright as compared to others here, but I expect better than that. Read your statement again and compare it to mine above it, and then go educate yourself on what exactly trolling is! You will find only one real troll here, and its not me.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, both sides have their issues. On the Obama side, they are flat lies. On the McCain side, I could see where he may not have been aware exactly, so I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

Even the liberal magazine Time has said McCain is brutely honest. This means, I doubt he is lying, but possibly not as well informed as he need be for the subject he is being asked.

-S

[Sailor Steve]

First, let me say that this is a very nice example of people from both sides finding it easier to just slam the other side than try to find some actual answers. It looks like Enigma could care less about the actual issues than just proving that the candidate from the other side is worthless. And SUBMAN1 comes back with the witty reply that he can show the candidate on the other side is even more worthless.

@ Mikhayl: I don't think SUBMAN1 qualifies as a troll, because as I understand it a troll just stirs up trouble, and I think SM1 really believes what he says and that he's doing the community a service by trashing the other side, much as Enigma does.

That said, Mikhayl is responding to the fact that SM1 seems to think that honest debate is something to be avoided and only ever posts with insults rather than discussions on the issues, then accuses anyone who points this out of attacking him. He then goes on to counter-attack with insults on the original's intelligence, and claims to have issues with both sides but only one of them is worthy of his 'satire'.

By the way, in case you didn't notice, both sides have their issues. On the Obama side, they are flat lies. On the McCain side, I could see where he may not have been aware exactly, so I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

But the general conception is that you support McCain and hate Obama, and besides the occassional denial everything you say seems to support that observation.

This is why people give warnings about debating politics and religion. What we have on this thread is not a debate, or even an argument, but a feces-flinging contest of the highest order. I love a good debate, but some of you don't seem capable of engaging in one.

No honesty from either side here, yet both claim the other is lying and they're not.

[Wolfehunter]

If you all know all the parties at hand are crooks. Why not not vote any people into power? Wouldn't that screw up the whole process? Maybe that message would tell polititians people are fedup with bull lies etc.

Even in my country there are not government representatives supporting the people as a whole. Their only taking care of their friends and bankers plus rich investors.

I haven't voted in years. I won't support legal criminal organizations. AKA current Government of Canada!

[Neptunus Rex]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

If you all know all the parties at hand are crooks. Why not not vote any people into power? Wouldn't that screw up the whole process? Maybe that message would tell polititians people are fedup with bull lies etc.

Even in my country there are not government representatives supporting the people as a whole. Their only taking care of their friends and bankers plus rich investors.

I haven't voted in years. I won't support legal criminal organizations. AKA current Government of Canada!

Oh yeah, right! President pro-tem Nancy Pelosi? I don't think so.

If you don't vote, don't bitch about the outcome or the policies that follow. If citizens can't be expected to perform their least of civil obligations, not to mention the one that requires the least amount of physical effort, then that nation has not much of a future.

And before the response arguments start, yes that includes the USA. Voter apathy is one of the biggest causes of Congressional authority abuse in the US.

NObama, NOPelosi either!

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

First, let me say that this is a very nice example of people from both sides finding it easier to just slam the other side than try to find some actual answers. It looks like Enigma could care less about the actual issues than just proving that the candidate from the other side is worthless. And SUBMAN1 comes back with the witty reply that he can show the candidate on the other side is even more worthless.

@ Mikhayl: I don't think SUBMAN1 qualifies as a troll, because as I understand it a troll just stirs up trouble, and I think SM1 really believes what he says and that he's doing the community a service by trashing the other side, much as Enigma does.

That said, Mikhayl is responding to the fact that SM1 seems to think that honest debate is something to be avoided and only ever posts with insults rather than discussions on the issues, then accuses anyone who points this out of attacking him. He then goes on to counter-attack with insults on the original's intelligence, and claims to have issues with both sides but only one of them is worthy of his 'satire'.

But the general conception is that you support McCain and hate Obama, and besides the occassional denial everything you say seems to support that observation.

This is why people give warnings about debating politics and religion. What we have on this thread is not a debate, or even an argument, but a feces-flinging contest of the highest order. I love a good debate, but some of you don't seem capable of engaging in one.

No honesty from either side here, yet both claim the other is lying and they're not.

Am I the only one with a headache???

[Kataki]

Also if anyone needed more on the whole bridge to no where thing i posted these in another thread :P I'm still surprised that fox news is actually reporting this correctly for once, WTF IS GOING ON?!

http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ici5RhMkh6-9V07yckpLBEEjzf6QD932MU100

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

[UnderseaLcpl]

Ok, continue!!!