B-58 video tribute

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:01 AM

A nice video of the B-58 with great music to boot!

Now someone tell me, is that a massive drop tank or massive nuke hanging off the body? I can't tell!

http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...Content=172859

-S

PS. Why is a Brigader General flying a combat aircraft? That isn't normal.

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:20 AM

My Air Force contacts just informed me that this plane has the very rare status of never having a single crash! Wow!

-S

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:22 AM

Got my answer - that pod carries a bunch of smaller nukes + fuel. So it does both.

-S

Tchocky · 08-02-08, 11:27 AM

That's a cool plane. AFAIK it was a really tricky plane to fly, actually crashed quite a lot.

EDIT - Wiki says

Quote:

It was a complex aircraft that required considerable maintenance, much of which required specialized equipment, which made it three times as expensive to operate as the B-52. Also against it was an unfavorably high accident rate: 26 aircraft were lost in accidents, 22.4% of total production

Lurchi · 08-02-08, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Now someone tell me, is that a massive drop tank or massive nuke hanging off the body? I can't tell!

Cool video - the Hustler is certainly the sharpest looking jet plane the U.S. ever made, together with the Blackbird and the Vigilante.

The object under its fuselage is actually both. The large outer part visible here is the tank - the part that contains the bomb is of the same shape and placed in a recess on the upper part of the Drop tank. In combat the tank is dropped first and the aerodynamic bomb container becomes visible.

Here is an excellent website dedicated to this spectacular cold warrior:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mvburen/b-58/

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

That's a cool plane. AFAIK it was a really tricky plane to fly, actually crashed quite a lot.

EDIT - Wiki says

Quote:

It was a complex aircraft that required considerable maintenance, much of which required specialized equipment, which made it three times as expensive to operate as the B-52. Also against it was an unfavorably high accident rate: 26 aircraft were lost in accidents, 22.4% of total production

Sounds like he's wrong!

-S

Dowly · 08-02-08, 11:39 AM

Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

Huh? lost me man!

-S

HunterICX · 08-02-08, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

My Air Force contacts just informed me that this plane has the very rare status of never having a single crash! Wow!

-S

Right....what kind of fantasy are those guys living in?
google a bit and you have the answers.

Quote:

Although the escape capsule was credited with saving a number of crew members, Bob Norton, who flew the B-58 out of Bunker Hill Air Force Base in Indiana, remembers one instance in which it contributed to a fatal crash. “One of our guys was flying in western Texas and some hail blew the windshield out. He encapsulated himself—you could still fly the airplane with the capsule closed but you could not control the throttles. Anyway, when the windshield blew, he pulled the throttles to idle before he closed the capsule. The trouble was, he couldn’t get [the capsule] open again when the hail stopped,” he says. “With the throttles pulled back, he was going down, so he told the other crew members to bail out. Unfortunately, the navigator’s parachute didn’t deploy and he was killed. After that they installed a cable so the pilot could quickly pull the pod open in flight.”

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Even in its operational life, the Hustler maintained its reputation as a dangerous airplane to fly. Darrell Schmidt, a B-58 pilot from 1966 to 1970, says, “There were 116 aircraft built, 26 of which were destroyed in accidents, with 36 crew members killed. If that doesn’t fit the definition of ‘dangerous,’ I don’t know what would.”

http://www.airspacemag.com/history-o...tml?c=y&page=1

HunterICX

Platapus · 08-02-08, 11:49 AM

There were different B-58's in the video. I believe that there were at least two different pods in the video.

The majority of them were of the MB-1C pod but some of the shots I believe were the TCP. Without seeing the underside I can't tell if it was the LA-1 Reconnaissance pod which was rarely used.

Most of the shots were of the MB-1C pod which had two fuel tanks and a W-39 thermonuclear weapon. The MB-1C was not commonly used and was discarded early on due to fuel leaks. One of the distinguishing characteristics of the MB-1C pod was that it had four fins. These four fins can be easily seen in some of the shots in the video.

The other option is that it was the The Two-Component Pod (TCP) being that it was the more common pod used on the B-58. The TCP was split into two separate components which may explain why it was called the two component pod. Sometimes the military does make sense. The lower part of the pod was for fuel and the upper portion was for the Mk. 53 nuke. The advantage of this is that the fuel subpod could be dumped independently of the nuke. The distinguishing characteristic of the TCP (besides the seam pattern) was that it had three fins. In some of the shots, I belive that the fin pattern (in the poor image quality) indicated a three fin pattern (120 degree) vice the four fin pattern (90) degree dispersion.

The B-58 was one awesome aircraft! Beautiful airframe and innovative technology.

And it just looked BAD.

Dowly · 08-02-08, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

Huh? lost me man!

-S

Innocent Civilians Killed Per Sortie.

Platapus · 08-02-08, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

My Air Force contacts just informed me that this plane has the very rare status of never having a single crash! Wow!

-S

From wikipedia

it was an unfavorably high accident rate: 26 aircraft were lost in accidents, 22.4% of total production.

Platapus · 08-02-08, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

Huh? lost me man!

-S

Innocent Civilians Killed Per Sortie.

Well since it was never used operationally to attack anyone I would say it would be rather favourable.

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?

Huh? lost me man!

-S

Innocent Civilians Killed Per Sortie.

Hahahaha! None that I know of!

:rotfl:

-S

SUBMAN1 · 08-02-08, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

My Air Force contacts just informed me that this plane has the very rare status of never having a single crash! Wow!

-S

Right....what kind of fantasy are those guys living in?
google a bit and you have the answers.

Quote:

Although the escape capsule was credited with saving a number of crew members, Bob Norton, who flew the B-58 out of Bunker Hill Air Force Base in Indiana, remembers one instance in which it contributed to a fatal crash. “One of our guys was flying in western Texas and some hail blew the windshield out. He encapsulated himself—you could still fly the airplane with the capsule closed but you could not control the throttles. Anyway, when the windshield blew, he pulled the throttles to idle before he closed the capsule. The trouble was, he couldn’t get [the capsule] open again when the hail stopped,” he says. “With the throttles pulled back, he was going down, so he told the other crew members to bail out. Unfortunately, the navigator’s parachute didn’t deploy and he was killed. After that they installed a cable so the pilot could quickly pull the pod open in flight.”

Quote:

Even in its operational life, the Hustler maintained its reputation as a dangerous airplane to fly. Darrell Schmidt, a B-58 pilot from 1966 to 1970, says, “There were 116 aircraft built, 26 of which were destroyed in accidents, with 36 crew members killed. If that doesn’t fit the definition of ‘dangerous,’ I don’t know what would.”

http://www.airspacemag.com/history-o...tml?c=y&page=1

HunterICX

Yeah, I don't know where he got that from. Maybe I misinterpreted something. I'll beat him up about it when i get a chance.

He was saying other things too, such as this was a one way trip into Soviet Airspace. Not enough fuel to return so the idea was to crash or possibly land in someplace friendly, like Sweden. That is if there is anything left of Sweden!

-S

08-02-08, 11:01 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	B-58 video tribute A nice video of the B-58 with great music to boot! Now someone tell me, is that a massive drop tank or massive nuke hanging off the body? I can't tell! http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...Content=172859 -S PS. Why is a Brigader General flying a combat aircraft? That isn't normal. __________________ Last edited by SUBMAN1; 08-02-08 at 11:13 AM.

08-02-08, 11:20 AM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My Air Force contacts just informed me that this plane has the very rare status of never having a single crash! Wow! -S __________________

08-02-08, 11:22 AM	#3
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Got my answer - that pod carries a bunch of smaller nukes + fuel. So it does both. -S __________________

08-02-08, 11:49 AM	#10
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	There were different B-58's in the video. I believe that there were at least two different pods in the video. The majority of them were of the MB-1C pod but some of the shots I believe were the TCP. Without seeing the underside I can't tell if it was the LA-1 Reconnaissance pod which was rarely used. Most of the shots were of the MB-1C pod which had two fuel tanks and a W-39 thermonuclear weapon. The MB-1C was not commonly used and was discarded early on due to fuel leaks. One of the distinguishing characteristics of the MB-1C pod was that it had four fins. These four fins can be easily seen in some of the shots in the video. The other option is that it was the The Two-Component Pod (TCP) being that it was the more common pod used on the B-58. The TCP was split into two separate components which may explain why it was called the two component pod. Sometimes the military does make sense. The lower part of the pod was for fuel and the upper portion was for the Mk. 53 nuke. The advantage of this is that the fuel subpod could be dumped independently of the nuke. The distinguishing characteristic of the TCP (besides the seam pattern) was that it had three fins. In some of the shots, I belive that the fin pattern (in the poor image quality) indicated a three fin pattern (120 degree) vice the four fin pattern (90) degree dispersion. The B-58 was one awesome aircraft! Beautiful airframe and innovative technology. And it just looked BAD. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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08-02-08, 11:39 AM	#7
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Soo, what's the plane's ICKPS?