We attack Nato on tuesday with our new subs

[Von Tonner]

This should be interesting.

http://www.citizen.co.za/index/artic...esc=46651,1,22

[Dan D]

Good luck and good hunting!



A single German newspaper source claims that during a manoeuvre the U 24 passed the anti-submarine escorts of the USS Enterprise undetected, fired a simulated torpedo salvo, took a periscope foto (below) and then popped up near the carrier which made the US Admiral very angry. Arrh.

Can anyone confirm this story?


http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/08/779801.html

Another incident: U 18 periscope shot of a carrier; video claims that it costed an US Vice Admiral his job and that picture was kept secret for 10 years (1:50 min, G)



Please post some pics.

[Packerton]

WTF war? this is a joke right?

[Safe-Keeper]

Despite the best efforts of the carrier battle groups, it occasionally happens that submarines reach the 'enemy' carrier in exercises, as far as I know. Must be really fun for the sub crew, less so for the escorts.

[Jimbuna]

The Australian Collins Class was reported to have made it through to a CVN a year or so ago in a similar exercise IIRC :hmm:

[bookworm_020]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The Australian Collins Class was reported to have made it through to a CVN a year or so ago in a similar exercise IIRC :hmm:

I think the USN is still yet to forgive the RAN for that one! It was a reason they leased the swedish sub for a couple of years so they could get some practice tracking conventional subs.

[Lafferty]

I think i remember that one.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dan D

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2007/08/08/779801.html

That article says the 212A is "fully combat-operational" at depths of only 20 m, even 14 m - and manouvering with full speed.

At the tower, these boats are 11.5 meters high. Gives you 3.5 meters margin. Max speed when submerged is (officially) 20 kn.

the article reminds of the Argentinian "San Lousis", a german type 209, which fired a volley of eight torpedoes at HMS Invincible and escorts during the Falkland war. Not one torpedoe hit - it illustrates that if crew training is poor, technology not always compensates for that: the technicians had linked the wires for torpeoe control in a wrong way, thus after being shot the eels could not be controlled anymore. Luck for the British - the sinking of the Invincible would have meant (according to the British admiral, Sandy Woodward) the defeat of the British and their immediate retreat.

What alarms me is that the article finally say that Pakistan wants to get those 212s. Didn't knew that. I hope nobody in Berlin acts foolishly. You don't sell your primary weapons to your most serious enemies.

[Von Tonner]

Here is a nice pic of the group with Table Mountain as a backdrop

http://www.flightzone.co.za/media/ph...nato_group.jpg






http://navy.org.za/articles/2007/09/...rfare-exercise



From the article:

"Another sign of the increasing importance of a security operation in African waters comes from the US Navy, which plans from 2008 to have a "big-deck" presence in the Gulf of Guinea.
"My aspiration is to have a ship there 365 days a year," said Admiral Harry Ulrich, commander of US Naval Forces Europe and Africa.
The South African Navy has long held the position that its new fleet would be used for anti-piracy and anti-poaching operations.
The training with Nato is its first big joint operation to discover how this might be carried out."

Extract from above article which goes some way in explaining the interest of Nato and in particlular the USA interest. By "big-deck" I am presuming US Admiral Ulrich is alluding to a carrier. Would love to see these little subs go up against one of those. Even if they got through the defense I doubt they have the fire-power to take one out though.

[Von Tonner]

http://navy.org.za/articles/2007/09/...es-world-first

Hell, we obviously think they are so good we are insuring them. The first subs ever to be insured.