destroyers see me first?

jhelix70 · 04-20-07, 04:54 PM

Haven't started a war patrol yet but am trying all the quick missions. In one of them (the photo recon one) I keep spotting destroyers and dive but they appear to always spot me as well. In fact, I always spot them when they are coming right at me!

It seems they are seeing me first (this is at night, btw). Are these just uber-destroyers in this mission or are all the destroyers in the game this sharp-eyed? The submarine's low profile should mean I see them first, not the other way around (at least in general).

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jhelix70

Haven't started a war patrol yet but am trying all the quick missions. In one of them (the photo recon one) I keep spotting destroyers and dive but they appear to always spot me as well. In fact, I always spot them when they are coming right at me!

It seems they are seeing me first (this is at night, btw). Are these just uber-destroyers in this mission or are all the destroyers in the game this sharp-eyed? The submarine's low profile should mean I see them first, not the other way around (at least in general).

Even the one in the convoy sub school sees you before you see him. They must have uber radar or eyes or soemthing. I've noticed the same thing!

Poochie · 04-20-07, 06:34 PM

Wish I could help you out, I'm having exactly the same problem. As you mentioned, destroyers can allready be charging at you by the time you spot them....

Insane

jhelix70 · 04-20-07, 06:53 PM

I can think of two possibilities:

1) During training and the single missions, your crew is very inexperienced and their detection ability has been reduced to unrealistic levels.

2) The sensor configuration of the japanese escorts is not correct. Given the many other mistakes in the game I wouldn't be surprised. Can someone in the know check to see if enemy escorts have radar? To my knowledge, the Japanese didn't have radar until very late in the war. It might be that the devs forgot to "turn it off" early to mid war, so now we have super seeing escorts. Something for the modders to check out anyway.

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhelix70

I can think of two possibilities:

1) During training and the single missions, your crew is very inexperienced and their detection ability has been reduced to unrealistic levels.

2) The sensor configuration of the japanese escorts is not correct. Given the many other mistakes in the game I wouldn't be surprised. Can someone in the know check to see if enemy escorts have radar? To my knowledge, the Japanese didn't have radar until very late in the war. It might be that the devs forgot to "turn it off" early to mid war, so now we have super seeing escorts. Something for the modders to check out anyway.

1) The DD's are bearing in on you before 'I' even see them. They are still hardly visible already on the way to depth charge you!

2.) The probably have radar. No other way they could see you.

-S

jhelix70 · 04-20-07, 09:07 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking #2 also.

I wonder if this effects all destroyers and escorts at all dates in the campaign. If so, its a major bug.

jhelix70 · 04-23-07, 03:36 PM

I just confirmed that the escorts do indeed have radar enabled. Disabling it in the sim.cfg file restores normal visual detection behaviour. Did the testing in the photo recon single mission. 1943 is way to early historically for the japanese to have radar.

Now we need to determine if this is just affecting the missions or does it affect the campaign too. If so, its a major bug destroying the realism of the sim while the sub is surfaced.

04-20-07, 04:54 PM	#1
jhelix70 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 152 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	destroyers see me first? Haven't started a war patrol yet but am trying all the quick missions. In one of them (the photo recon one) I keep spotting destroyers and dive but they appear to always spot me as well. In fact, I always spot them when they are coming right at me! It seems they are seeing me first (this is at night, btw). Are these just uber-destroyers in this mission or are all the destroyers in the game this sharp-eyed? The submarine's low profile should mean I see them first, not the other way around (at least in general).

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04-20-07, 06:34 PM	#3
Poochie Swabbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Wish I could help you out, I'm having exactly the same problem. As you mentioned, destroyers can allready be charging at you by the time you spot them.... Insane

04-20-07, 06:53 PM	#4
jhelix70 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 152 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I can think of two possibilities: 1) During training and the single missions, your crew is very inexperienced and their detection ability has been reduced to unrealistic levels. 2) The sensor configuration of the japanese escorts is not correct. Given the many other mistakes in the game I wouldn't be surprised. Can someone in the know check to see if enemy escorts have radar? To my knowledge, the Japanese didn't have radar until very late in the war. It might be that the devs forgot to "turn it off" early to mid war, so now we have super seeing escorts. Something for the modders to check out anyway.

04-20-07, 09:07 PM	#6
jhelix70 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 152 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I'm thinking #2 also. I wonder if this effects all destroyers and escorts at all dates in the campaign. If so, its a major bug.

04-23-07, 03:36 PM	#7
jhelix70 Sparky Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 152 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I just confirmed that the escorts do indeed have radar enabled. Disabling it in the sim.cfg file restores normal visual detection behaviour. Did the testing in the photo recon single mission. 1943 is way to early historically for the japanese to have radar. Now we need to determine if this is just affecting the missions or does it affect the campaign too. If so, its a major bug destroying the realism of the sim while the sub is surfaced.