Yes it's back PC Madness

[STEED]

PC Madness now hits the Catholics.

Catholic pupil told to remove crucifix





PS: Moderators I have made a note of the title of this thread and will only use this one for now on, just to keep you moderators happy.

[Konovalov]

Is it really any surprise with people suing and taking court action sometimes legitimately and sometimes to try and get rich? These days companies and schools try to do everything possible to cover their own behinds and to not expose themselves to possible liability. Over the top? Of course but in these times it is to be expected. A case of occupational health and safety (OH & S) gone mad.

Steed, I would suggest that you begin your own website titled PC Madness Watch.

Too far.

[XabbaRus]

I agree but that Nadia Eweida really got my goat. They had her on TV and I felt she was one of the ram it down your throat type which I can't stand with any religion.

I think you should start a website STEED, would make lunch times pass more quickly.

Anyway it is mad.

[Tchocky]

Where's the scandal here, she wasnt allowed wear jewellery, and didnt qualify for the exemption. Endy story

[STEED]

Makes me laugh this PC clap trap have started to use health and safety to hind behind. I think instead of them working folk up and getting there blood boiling we should burst out with non stop laughing at these stupid people.

So I will get the ball rolling. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Where's the scandal here, she wasnt allowed wear jewellery, and didnt qualify for the exemption. Endy story

True. But this is a catholic school, the cross means alot to catholics, i bet if it wasn't for whats happening around the world at the moment, wearing the cross wouldn't be an issue. Catholic schools here aren't allowed to wear jewelry but the cross is accepted its part of their religeon. They have lost the faith!

[TteFAboB]

I guess Konovalov was the first to get the point then, and in chronologic order.

Jewelry are no greater health & safety hazard than a pencil. I would tell you in how many different ways people can kill each other with pencils but that would be a bad idea because of these combined reasons: 1) it's against the rules of the forum, of good behavior and of self-preservation; 2) it would lead to a pencil ban in Britain ; 3) If there's any reason why people aren't already killing each other with pencils it's probably because they don't know how to do it just yet.

So, considering there are hundreds of far more lethal and dangerous objects in a school other than jewelry and little chains (tables, chairs, laptops, electric cords/outlets, lamps, plumbing, doors, alot of glass, removable metal bars, heavy bags, heavy books, stairs/ladders, sport equipment, shoe laces, everything inside the first-aid cabinet, scissors, rulers, compasses, pencil sharpeners, highly toxic ink, ties/random clothing fit for suffocation, illness, germs, bacteria, boredom, useless knowledge, lack of any learning, slower passage of time, indoctrination, brain washing, etc.) there must be another reason (hidden) for the ban other than sheer stupidity: it's the politically correct way of saying "we don't want jewelry in this school, we won't allow you to wear it, but we'll make it sound like it's for your own good while in fact it's only for our own good since you actually want to wear it. How clever we are! You can't possibly disagree, afterall, who would disagree with health and safety? We universalize a particular issue so that in order to impugnate it you have to speak against health and safety as a whole instead of only about this particular case at this school. Fools. As The Noob would say: we pwned you idiots!"*. That's not necessarily the non-politically correct way of saying this, it's just how people who allow such lies to be carried away deserve to hear it.

Of course, the motivation may be something greater than a simple policy of no-jewelry, like preventing law suits as Kono suggests. The malice above still applies either way. This just makes what was bad even worse. It aggravates it. The real motivation is still hidden afterall and presented after being artificially sweetened and falsely fortified with the shield of health & safety, a fortress made out of toothpicks that is menacing enough in appearance to discourage a reaction from the parents of the jewel-less kids.

This school is safe from any lawsuits on the field of health & safety lawsuits alright but it couldn't be more fit for an improbity lawsuit.

*: For futher evidence, and on the same line of the post above me, if the intention was eliminating hazard why would Deputy head teacher P. Jackson state that "we would allow a lapel badge to be worn." considering that this replaces a harmless chain and blunt object for a sharp and far more deadly needle? Sheer stupidity or the direct opposite of it, cleverness: have it your way while making everybody else believe it's for their own good.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Jewelry are no greater health & safety hazard than a pencil. I would tell you in how many different ways people can kill each other with pencils but that would be a bad idea because of these combined reasons: 1) it's against the rules of the forum, of good behavior and of self-preservation; 2) it would lead to a pencil ban in Britain ; 3) If there's any reason why people aren't already killing each other with pencils it's probably because they don't know how to do it just yet.

You're joking, yes? Sometimes I can't tell on this forum.

So, considering there are hundreds of far more lethal and dangerous objects in a school other than jewelry and little chains (tables, chairs, laptops, electric cords/outlets, lamps, plumbing, doors, alot of glass, removable metal bars, heavy bags, heavy books, stairs/ladders, sport equipment, shoe laces, everything inside the first-aid cabinet, scissors, rulers, compasses, pencil sharpeners, highly toxic ink, ties/random clothing fit for suffocation, illness, germs, bacteria, boredom, useless knowledge, lack of any learning, slower passage of time, indoctrination, brain washing, etc.) there must be another reason (hidden) for the ban other than sheer stupidity: it's the politically correct way of saying "we don't want jewelry in this school, we won't allow you to wear it, but we'll make it sound like it's for your own good while in fact it's only for our own good since you actually want to wear it. How clever we are! You can't possibly disagree, afterall, who would disagree with health and safety? We universalize a particular issue so that in order to impugnate it you have to speak against health and safety as a whole instead of only about this particular case at this school. Fools. As The Noob would say: we pwned you idiots!"*. That's not necessarily the non-politically correct way of saying this, it's just how people who allow such lies to be carried away deserve to hear it.

You say that health & safety is just a cover. Have you ever been punched by someone wearing a large gold ring? Or had a necklace pulled tight around your throat from behind? There are legitimate H&S reasons to ban jewellery. Of course there are other reasons, the appearance of pupils for example.
Just like any school that requires a uniform, this school is perfectly within rights to be regulating the appearance of its students. Look harder and you'll find school officials are some of the least "malicious" people around.

.............and you can't kill someone with a lapel badge

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

.............and you can't kill someone with a lapel badge

Chuck Norris could....

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Chuck Norris could....

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[KevinB]

Bloody hoodies. I think that two year old should have an ASBO put on him.
Disgusting.

[TteFAboB]

Yes I'm joking.

But then I must ask in return, are you joking aswell? You've managed to resume all that crap in a damned 8-word sentence? I'm gonna start sending my posts to you as Private Messages so you can do this more often. If you assist me, I will... let me see... hmmm........ teach you how to kill somebody with a lapel badge! I learned it "off" Chuck Norris. Literally, Chuck Norris doesn't need to actually teach anything to anybody, just being on his presence is enlightening enough. I was wearing my "I heart Chuck Norris" lapel badge when I met him in Three-mile Island, so he must've seen it and that's the reason for this piece of knowledge to have emanated from him instead of what I actually went there to learn: how to grab and hold Comet McNaughty with my own hands to give me another chance of looking at it. Oh, he was there decontaminating the place by eating and drinking the radioactive stuff.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Have you ever been punched by someone wearing a large gold ring?

Nope, have you? I've been slapped by a girl wearing a small ring once though. And I deserved it.

Or had a necklace pulled tight around your throat from behind?

Nope, have you? What if it was pulled tight from the front or sides, do those count too? What if it is pulled from above, or from below? Never had any of those happen either anyway. I guess the only case that doesn't count here is a pull from opposing directions at the same time because that wouldn't apply much if any pressure to the neck and perhaps even break the necklace.

There are legitimate H&S reasons to ban jewellery.

No doubt. Some people are allergic to nickel. They can only wear real gold stuff, contact with any allergic metal will give birth to a localized Krakatoa on their skin. All jewelry should be banned just to make sure this doesn't ever happen to any pupil. This is reason alone, afterall, it takes alot longer to get rid of allergic rashes/reactions than neck or face pain.

Of course there are other reasons, the appearance of pupils for example. Just like any school that requires a uniform, this school is perfectly within rights to be regulating the appearance of its students.

Of course they are. But if the cover-up was the case, then the end is legitimate but the mean is not. Would the mean qualify the end? Don't know. I wouldn't trust the people involved in the decision though.

But I need to get back to large rings and necklace pulling. It is possible for people to get punched by hands wearing large rings and for necklaces to be pulled tightly from any direction, you could even get your necklace stuck on the sanitary vase, depending on the length of the chain and the structure of the vase itself, after having your head dumped inside it by mean girls, heck, you could even drown if the necklace got stuck tight enough and if you couldn't keep pressing the flushing valve to lower the water level. It's also possible to get punched by ringless hands and for cheap necklaces to break at the slightest gentle contact.

It is also possible for none of this to ever happen. It's possible for the kids to never be punched in the face with large rings or at all and it's possible for them to never have their necklaces tightly pulled or even touched at all.

Do you know where I can find statistics about such cases? Or is this H&S policy based solely on one or two anecdotal stories and possibilities? Not that we should fall victim of Empirism, I would just like to know how the risk was assessed. The school has every right to dictate their policy as they see fit. On what kind of experience and with what intention the policy is based, however, seems not only to be unknown but impossible to discern, given the ambiguity of "Health & Safety". The perfect Health & Safety enviroment is an air-tight plastic bubble with anti-biological, chemical and radioactive filters. Not that being punched with large rings and having your necklaces pulled are much of a lesson (though it could be) but such a perfect bubble enviroment isn't much of a learning place either. Health & Safety isn't an autonomous element then and definitely not the guiding principle of a school. Why, then, is it used as if it were? If it's a matter of dress code, it's dress code, not Health & Safety.

But let's take it as a case of Health & Safety. Possibilities for possibilities I choose the optimist selection. Unless the pupils are complete bullying-maniacs and display hate, envy and aggressive acts all too often. If that's the reality then indeed there is no choice at all.

Look harder and you'll find school officials are some of the least "malicious" people around.

Oh I don't intend to say that many or most school officials are malicious. I limit that to this official in the event that he's lying or playing smart. It's nothing innate to the profession either, there are good apples and bad apples everywhere, maybe there are less bad apples around school officials than in other groups, I just loose trust easier and quicker than I gain it.

[nightdagger]

I don't think a seven-year old schoolgirl is going to be stabbed with a lapel pen OR choked with her necklace. I think that the school is going too far but in any case, if the girl's faith is shaken by her inability to wear a necklace to school then she is talking the talk but not walking the walk.

[STEED]

Going back to the story, I was thinking would the school had insisted if she had a medical alert bracelet on to remove it? :hmm: