Pastor weighing plans to burn Qurans amid U.S. warnings

[Zachstar]

He will be charged if he does it regardless of his terrorist status. You don't get to violate fire laws to express free speech. You don't get to injure others to express free speech.

That argument does not fly. There is no free speech issues involved here. He does not have the RIGHT to burn the Koran or anything for that matter regardless of how many cry.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Considering the amount of Bigotry (I cant even read the idiot topics yall go into about Islam) that goes on this forum I am not surprised by your responses comparing responses by different groups.

What I do find surprising is this idiocy that doing an unlawful act is a right.

Burning the Koran is not a right. Matter of fact he will be Jailed if he sets them afire due to the Fire laws. Please stop acting like denying him from carrying out his terrorism is some attack on the first amendment. It isnt.

Sinse the rights you are trying to defend only stop the federal gov't from infringing on those rights the 'people's' opinions and actions are not only lawful but fully apropriate and should help everyone when electing their next represenatives to congress.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

He will be charged if he does it regardless of his terrorist status. You don't get to violate fire laws to express free speech. You don't get to injure others to express free speech.

That argument does not fly. There is no free speech issued involved he. He does not have the RIGHT to burn the Koran or anything for that matter regardless of how many cry.

Oh yes, he does have that right. So do you, I or any other US citizen. He does not have the right to violate fire codes and he'll be fined or jailed for it, just like a protester does not have the right to impede traffic and can be fined or jailed for that. Their expression, however, is protected.

[Zachstar]

Expressing that right tho has to come with the respect of laws.

For one you cant slander other people. They tried to make that a free speech issue and while status as celebrity greatly reduces the effects of any charges you still cant directly do it.

You cant start an unlawful fire to express your free speech.

You cant violate local ordinances to express free speech for instance you need a permit to hold a demonstration.

This is just on the narrow focus on this "He has a right to do it" part. He does not if he is violating City, State, Or federal laws which he will do.

Sorry it just really bugs me when people say that about him. Not only are people saying that trying to defend a terrorist but its just flat wrong as well.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Expressing that right tho has to come with the respect of laws.

For one you cant slander other people. They tried to make that a free speech issue and while status as celebrity greatly reduces the effects of any charges you still cant directly do it.

You cant start an unlawful fire to express your free speech.

You cant violate local ordinances to express free speech for instance you need a permit to hold a demonstration.

This is just on the narrow focus on this "He has a right to do it" part. He does not if he is violating City, State, Or federal laws which he will do.

Sorry it just really bugs me when people say that about him. Not only are people saying that trying to defend a terrorist but its just flat wrong as well.

Fires on private property are not unlawful. They occur on almost every day.

This is much more disturbing FBI agents visit Florida church over Quran burn

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...6u-pwD9I4I32G0

[Zachstar]

More of that "My land I can do what I want" BS

Um no you can't. If your local or state government has banned a type or range of fires you must obey or be charged or fined.

When did this mess of people thinking they can violate local laws because they own the property? That property isn't its own government.

Edit: About the FBI visits. Sadly they werent there to haul his ass off but to warn him of death threats (Likely from abroad) FBI being nice to a terrorist. Sickening...

Originally Posted by Zachstar

More of that "My land I can do what I want" BS

Um no you can't. If your local or state government has banned a type or range of fires you must obey or be charged or fined.

When did this mess of people thinking they can violate local laws because they own the property? That property isn't its own government.

Edit: About the FBI visits. Sadly they werent there to haul his ass off but to warn him of death threats (Likely from abroad) FBI being nice to a terrorist. Sickening...

Yet fires occur on private property every day. If I burned the koran tomorrow on my land, and told folks I was going to do it, law enforcement could do nothing about it. And if the FBI showed up I'd tell them to go away.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

More of that "My land I can do what I want" BS

Um no you can't. If your local or state government has banned a type or range of fires you must obey or be charged or fined.

When did this mess of people thinking they can violate local laws because they own the property? That property isn't its own government.

Edit: About the FBI visits. Sadly they werent there to haul his ass off but to warn him of death threats (Likely from abroad) FBI being nice to a terrorist. Sickening...

You haven't come anywhere close to any sense of a justification for your comment about them being terrorists - alas, now you're stuck on fire codes. (By the way, my city bans open pit fires and I regularly have them in my back yard. So do all my neighbors. Are we terrorists too?)

Your argument has lost any semblance of sense. You are now stuck on fire codes, but your actual beef was apparently with the fact that this burning would cause outrage in the Muslim world, ergo they are terrorists. Let's change the scenario a bit. Let's say, instead of burning Korans, this church decides to hold a public "ripping" of the book. Are you going to now still claim terrorism due to it's inciteful nature or will you retreat to the littering defense?

By the way, in case you haven't heard "terrorism" means to "terrorize". It's doesn't mean to "piss off". Burning the Koran hardly terrorizes anyone.

[Zachstar]

No you are just people committing crime big difference and if you get caught you get charged similar to the way he will.

[Zachstar]

Watching Countdown right now. It is obvious that the pastor is not only a bigot and a terrorist but an idiot as well. The man he talked to was NOT I repeat NOT NOT NOT the Imam of that community center. But of one in FL

He somehow (Doubtful if it was legit) believe that meant it would be moved.

Tho without a doubt he wants to use it to continue his blackmail of the US.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

No you are just people committing crime big difference and if you get caught you get charged similar to the way he will.

Yeah, you don't understand the concept of private property, much less the Bill of Rights.
Islam is a threat to a free and independant people.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

No you are just people committing crime big difference and if you get caught you get charged similar to the way he will.

Oh no, an $80 citation (which, by the way, is not a crime - perhaps at some point you'll learn the difference between criminal behavior and municiple code violations).

Still, not terrorists.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Watching Countdown right now. It is obvious that the pastor is not only a bigot and a terrorist but an idiot as well. The man he talked to was NOT I repeat NOT NOT NOT the Imam of that community center. But of one in FL

He somehow (Doubtful if it was legit) believe that meant it would be moved.

Tho without a doubt he wants to use it to continue his blackmail of the US.

No one is disputing that the guy's an idiot - what people are disputing is your overarching claims of terrorism and criminality. Frankly, it seems you'd be far happier in a society abiding Sharia Law than the US Constitution.

[Happy Times]

This whole event is just gettin stranger, i find it funny nonetheless.

Im only waiting for some muslims to come out saying they dont care if they burn the korans, yeah right.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Alex

It was a joke about DarkFish who got to mention in his profile in here that he's playing Dowly in the Netherlands

Playing Dowly
Nice expression there

(@ DF : and I meant it in a funny way but some people drink alcohol/smoke this kind of thing to forget everything about their life).

I know you did And it's a sad thing that for some people narcotics are indeed a way to forget their problems. But then I guess for some religious fanatics, religion is as well.


Anyway, on this topic I agree with mookiemookie here:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I see it as the same thing as the mosque controversy. Just because it's a stupid idea, doesn't mean you don't have a constitutional right to do it.

Yes, AFAIK you can burn qurans if you want, but it is not a nice and smart thing to do.