Next President of the United States

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Peto

I think that Independants and 1st time voters will decide this election. Talk to a hundred of them from different areas and you can pick the winner of this election fairly easily (except for those who have yet to decide). Pollsters are asking the same group of people the same old questions this year (I've gotten a couple calls).
That ensures that the election appears close and they have job security as interest is so high this year.

What they don't realize is that the same old way of polling probably doesn't work so well this time. It leaves too many newcomers to the scene out of the picture and unrepresented by the numbers. There's an under-current running through the US that will have change regardless of who is in office. We're not so far from tipping-point of that happening now. What happens when Americans get too PO'd? It's in the history books. So whoever wins the election better deliver. (Pessimistic view but maybe not so far fetched. I'll leave the blanks unfilled in this one).

My predictiion: Come November, which ever side wins will win big. I seriously doubt there'll be any need for re-counts.

Normally I try to influence people's choice by information or drinking them under the table (coffee of course). Not this time. Many Independants are just watching and listening right now--saying that they haven't made up their mind. Some haven't, most have but won't tell. At this point, unless something in the debates changes what I've learned through quite a lot of reading and digging, my decision is made.

But I won't say what my decision is. I think many if not most Independants are doing this this year.

Undecided? :hmm: There's power in that word this year.

You are correct Peto. First time voters or those that could vote in the past but really did not care to do so. Like I stated a few posts back...Even Bubba who never voted a day in his life will be voting for a gun toting, beer drinking hottie. Her name is Palin. I was watching a program on middle American factory workers. Just easy going folks. One of them said, "I'm voting for McCain because Obama took oath of office on the Koran." Of course this was dispelled months ago. But, it is stuck in his head. He is just one of a million who still believe this. It took me weeks to convince my dad that this was not true....he is Physician!!!! So, Pop, 4 years of college, 3 years at med-school and you believe anyone in the United States would let an elected offical take the oath under the Koran? Come on Dad, get off the scotch:rotfl: But, like I said, crap like that the media puts out not only for Obama but all involved really drive home how influential the media is. Case and point....the big story this weekend is Oprah will not let Palin on her show. I do not really care what Oprah thinks and I'm sure everyone in this thread could give two craps about. But, a lot of America who watches Oprah hoping for a free car listen to her.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

That's hardly "his whole time...when the congress isn't in session". This is really typical, people keep saying empty things like "Obama is handsome, he should be an actor not president arh arh arh" and in the same breath they complain that "it's a shame the electoral race isn't about the issues". Seriously, there's a LOT of things that you could shoot down in Obama's ideas so why resort to the same old same old chain emails that have circulated in different colours but same taste ever since internet got public ? That's not the idea I have of "intellectually stimulating".

Describing junk emails is not intellectually stimulating. Peto, Von Tonner, Platypus, TDK, Sailor Steve create conversation and intellegent answers. Please, let us in on what is intellectually stimulating for Mikhayl.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I think the dynamic is different now than it has been in any other election. Typically, people have always voted for the top of the ticket....not this time.

This time, the Democrats know that they need Biden's experience to complement Obama's eloquence and appeal. The Republicans know that Sarah Palin has totally energized the Republican base, and significantly reduced worries regarding John McCain's age and health.

This time it's the package that counts. The duo that most Americans believe will really make changes in Washington, will win the day.

A month ago, this was a done deal for the Democrats. Now, all bets are off and the 'Palin effect'' is in place. It's going to be a close one!

I still predict a landslide for McCain. Palin has energized the Reps. It has put on a whole new face and I feel like we are starting from block one again. Should prove to be fun and interesting. But, no matter who is selected...we are probably still screwed.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

But, no matter who is selected...we are probably still screwed.

Sadly I think this is something we can all agree with.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Sadly I think this is something we can all agree with.

Yep, it took 8 years to get here and certainly more than 4 is needed to straighten it out. But, we have to keep hope alive that someone, either Obama or McCain, takes the bull by the horns and sets us on the right path. In my heart of hearts, I really think Obama is sincere in what he says and what he wants to do. I feel the same for McCain. It is the red tape on Capitol Hill that creates the bottlen neck. No matter who makes the White House, they get my support in one form or another.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Agreed, among others

I thought I exposed it, what is stimulating is talking about the issues, i.e what's Obama's or McCain's plan for health care, or for this and that, why do you think it's deemed to fail, what you're looking for etc. Lance makes annoyingly long posts but he gets into the politics part
Personnaly I'm mostly bothered about foreign policy and on that matter I would hate to have to vote between the two

In all honesty, I think health care needs to be looked at starting with the drug manufacturers. Most pills cost pennies to make but the mark up is just so incredibly high. For instance, I purchased by perscription 30 pills for an infection. The cost was $210.00. That is $7.00 per pill. Come on, does it really cost that much for a pill that fights infections? Medical care costs have skyrocketed because of lawsuits. This is one direction that is being taken, abolish frivolous lawsuit. Some folks try to retire on bogus lawsuits. This drives up costs because malpractice insurance is outlandish as a result of payouts to bogus lawsuits. Here is a great example. One night in the emergancy room a man shows up complaining of chest pains. He is with his wife. As they begin to start the paperwork and are getting the gurney, he goes in complete heart failure. On his way to the floor, he breaks his nose. My father did what my father does, resuscitates the guy. He is good to go. His wife gets a lawyer and attempts to sue my father because he broke his nose. Now wait a minute, your husband just went into complete heart failure, is brought back to life and you are worried about his nose and how much you can make off him breaking it on the way to the floor after the heart attack? Needless to say, this never made it to the courtroom. Do not get me wrong, there are some medical lawsuits that are justified.


Foreign policy should also be on the top of the list. Certainly, I lack in any type of meaningful conversation in this area and can not comment further.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yep, it took 8 years to get here and certainly more than 4 is needed to straighten it out. But, we have to keep hope alive that someone, either Obama or McCain, takes the bull by the horns and sets us on the right path. In my heart of hearts, I really think Obama is sincere in what he says and what he wants to do. I feel the same for McCain. It is the red tape on Capitol Hill that creates the bottlen neck. No matter who makes the White House, they get my support in one form or another.

Let's just hope that this election has sparked enough motivation so that the citizens actually start thinking about who to vote for and to actually get out and vote. If that can occur, this election season is a great success.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Not my numbers Steve. Just a something I found. I have trouble with 2+2.

I gathered that from the start, but you posted them, so I described them as yours. As for math, I'm right there with ya. My daughter teaches math, and I'm still wondering where I went wrong.

The requirements for the job are lacking for sure, but I believe the originators of the requirements naturally assumed everyone was in their right mind when voting. Currently, most are going with who Oprah thinks should win. There was no Oprah back then.

I believe you might have me there. Of course back then the electors were appointed by state legislatures and there was no popular vote.

Me, I might just write in somebody, but I'm not sure who yet. If either Pat Paulsen or Snoopy were still alive...

[Skybird]

Arny for president!

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...576835,00.html

Some common sense there.





Real wars and the US culture war - "Two intractable wars should preclude the culture war McCain has just so shamelessly embraced. He loves the word “fight.” So fight on the issues — and let the people decide."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/op...se&oref=slogin

The culture-war surge in the U.S election campaign has come at the expense of meaningful debate about the real wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That’s dangerous because they stand at critical junctures.

meanwhile, by pure desparation, the two major banks in the mortage crisis, being responsible for financing roughly 50% of all US mortage credits, have been taken over by the state (talking about unregulated economy, anyone...). American tax payers will pay with their own tax money for this - billions and many billions and then some more (current figure is 200 billion Euros=short of 300 billion dollars). Insiders say 110-140 more banks are on the threat list to not survive the forseeable future if left all to themselves.

It's not yet over. Far from it. Prioritizing moral values excessively, anyone?

[TDK1044]

This election will be really interesting, because it's as much about personalities as it is about issues. To a degree, that's always the case, but it's intensified in this election more than ever.

Obama is a dreamer who inspires those in the room with him unlike any politician in my lifetime, with the possible exception of JFK. Sarah Palin brings a fiesty honesty and integrity to the Republican ticket and is the perfect companion for the maverick old war hero McCain.

The Republicans have the tougher fight though, because historically people always blame the current Administration for their lot in life. So the slowing economy, the mortgage crisis and the price of gas is all the fault of this Administration in the eyes of many.

[asanovic7]

I think Obama will loose elections because:

1. he is black
2. his middle name is Hussein
3. he believes in voodoo
4. devil is black
5. cumbaya my lord with putin? over my dead body
6. Mccain is an american
7. he has no experience in economy
8. he has a support from hilary
9. black people make white people depressed about the size
10. will he revenge the slaves?
11. he is not christian
..

Let's be honest and tell the truth!

:rotfl: :rotfl:
Go Obama!

IAAAAA

[geetrue]

You must be a writer for Saturday Night Live, uh asanovic?

Have you heard about those rumors that the young people are going to make a difference this election?

This is from the exit polls four years ago: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-under30_x.htm

Originally Posted by USA Today

Under-30 voters came through in big numbers this year, with more than 20 million casting a ballot for president, researchers found. The turnout bested their 2000 showing by more than nine percentage points and heartened activists who worked to get young voters to the polls.


Researchers at the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning & Engagement at the University of Maryland found that 18- to 29-year-old turnout was up by 4.6 million voters from exit poll data from the 2000 election.

They based their calculations on exit polls done for The Associated Press and others by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International.

The figures also beat exit poll numbers from 1992, the last time the youth vote spiked amid an otherwise general decline in turnout since 18-year-olds first got the chance to vote in 1972.

Turnout increased among other age groups, too, leaving young voters with roughly the same proportion of the total electorate nationally as in 2000. But activists who were part of an unprecedented effort to get out the vote — from Rock the Vote and Declare Yourself to the Youth Vote Coalition — felt that didn't detract from their accomplishment.

"To have beaten the '92 number is incredible," said Ivan Frishberg of the nonpartisan New Voters Project. Back then, Bill Clinton defeated the first President Bush.

This time, young voters were the only group that favored Democrat Kerry. The AP's exit polls found that under-30s favored Kerry over Bush, 55% to 44%, compared to a 48-46 edge for Al Gore in 2000.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Interesting point, I can see where it leads indeed. It seems the compulsive lawsuit tendancy is gaining ground slowly here too, as a result (only considering health care here) the insurances price for doctors have increased a lot in case they have to cover a suit, and so the doctors tend to raise their price too, even though there's still a handful of limitations. I didn't think about it but I guess that would a tough fight to kill that lawsuit illness. It seems people just can't accept that sh!t happens, there has to be someone responsible, and better someone with big money

That is correct Mikhayl, people can not accept that sometimes chit happens. But as a result, they want someone to pay anyway. It does not stop there. Some people think someone owes them something all the time. It becomes a career for them. I know, I have a sister-in-law who tries to sue anyone she can. Triffling really.

[asanovic7]

Originally Posted by geetrue

You must be a writer for Saturday Night Live, uh asanovic?

Have you heard about those rumors that the young people are going to make a difference this election?

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No, I just had that honor to watch the republican convention. Man, I came to a mirror to check out if I am really white or what, compared to those people.. :rotfl:

[TDK1044]

What's going to be interesting here, is whether we're seeing a slightly enhanced bump in the poll numbers for the Republicans because of the novelty value of Sarah Palin at the convention, or whether a 'Sarah surge' is under way.

If it's the former, then we'll have a close race that's too close to call. If it's the latter, then the Messiah could be in trouble.