SH3 still top thanks to Starforce/ All SF post here

[Skybird]

For some reason it is always the same name(s) when it comes to the blind defending of SF and the ignoring of documented problems that had been filed and described by damn many users around the whole damn web, games and professional software alike. Not to see them needs a clear intention of not wanting to see them.

Some companies even released new software versions of their products to bypass SF, and abandoned SF completely, that small and minor the customer's negative reaction and that small and minor the numbers of people being affected by SF-caused problems is. Not to mention that since over a year now forums (f.e. UBI, simHQ, SF (heavily censored), diverse German forums I visited) and product-feedback pages (f.e. Amazon, diverse price-comparison services) are filled with complaints and explicit problem descriptions that were not solved by official tools and updates. Not too mention the many postings and essays by tech guys who examined it on a more professional basis and have the knowledge to look into SF on a technologcal level, and/or judging it from the professional experiences in their jobs.

All the info is there on the web, but it is under a spell: it is only readable by those who wants to read it.

This is the situation.

My advise is as usual: vote with your wallets. If enough people do not buy SF-infested stuff anymore, companies will suffer financial pain, will try to reduce that pain and will give up on SF as a consequence, so SF will dissappear (and companies will offer you patches to delete SF in existing software-I took benefit from that kind of service myself). If you keep on buying it, then you get what you deserve, and if you happen to run into problems of whom you thought they cannot hit you becasue such problems do not exist, you shall not complain then, for you have given up the right to do so.

Just these two options, and no third one i see. I myself avoid Sf like the pleague after bad exoeriences on two systems, like I also avoid unfinished and rushed software or software of known buggy state. Spares me a very lot of money

[ThirteenthHouR]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

You guys are really something special...

Dude nobody mentioned you, if you have something that makes you feel guilty about it than take it up with the FBI.

Now will you please stop trying to incite a flame war.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by ThirteenthHouR

Dude nobody mentioned you, if you have something that makes you feel guilty about it than take it up with the FBI.

I´m a German and the FBI is an US organisation, I couldn´t care less about them. Besides that, I have nothing to feel guilty about.

[Soulcommander]

Now since the moderator himself went off topic... LOL How old are you Mr Channing?

I have been in the broadcasting business since 1979. But does it matter? I mean I have seen younger braoadcsters take positions away from older ones. I don't get your point? And only a journalist that fails to verify their sources, lose their credibility.

[Gizzmoe]

Originally Posted by Soulcommander

I don't get your point?

"Just because it's been on television, radio or in the papers, doesn't make it true."

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

My advise is as usual: vote with your wallets. If enough people do not buy SF-infested stuff anymore, companies will suffer financial pain

Well I just spent 45 minutes reading this thread I have no problems with my PC. It's a hot topic and I agree with Skybird.
If you don't like SF don't buy it

[Skybird]

Now since the moderator himself went off topic... LOL How old are you Mr Channing?

To those who are concerned,

I strongly recommend to resist the temptation to (directly or indirectly) target moderators in their moderating function as long as they do not abuse their position. Few things will get you easier into trouble or the thread locked.

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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Gizzmoe

"Just because it's been on television, radio or in the papers, doesn't make it true."

Works both ways.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Skybird

To those who are concerned,

I strongly recommend to resist the temptation to (directly or indirectly) target moderators in their moderating function as long as they do not abuse their position. Few things will get you easier into trouble or the thread locked.

Listen to this man. He knows of what he speaks.

I am rapidly posing my patience with this thread and a few of the people involved. I am also getting angry, which is something a moderator shouldn't do. But there you are.

So here it is for the last time.

If you have something new on this subject to post then by all means do.

Otherwise I strongly suggest that some people back off.

JCC

[ThirteenthHouR]

The owner of this site asked for credible sources on a previous occassion.

Although my Tech credibility actually out weighs that of Newsweek etc. The sources have been provided in many places. Including the findings concerning Piracy by Harvard and UNC (A report commission by the industry).

Also Anyone who actually listened to the Cybershack interview, will be aware that Dennis (Starforce) made himself look like an idiot. When you get asked a direct question you do not reel out the previous comapany spiel as even 10 year old can see through that.

As I keep saying, the technical problems are well known, documented and even proven to the point where in Ubisofts case they issued payment in kind

I.E. 4x latest PS2 title games. For the Hardware failure caused to a Plextor drive by Security Technologies (Starforce Virtual IDE Protection Driver).

No company accepts liability unless its proven beyond doubt.


So did SH3 sell well because of Starforce, well quite simply no it didn't it sold well because its an excellent game.

btw interesting ISP that www.arcor.de, Gizzmoe maybe I should introduce myself by my old handle.

I am the Original Z3rO CooL , the first King on iNet. These days I wear a white hat and work closely with the authorities.

Those of you who know of me, You now know that when I say my credibiity precedes me its not just hot air.

(no I didn't crash all those systems, that is just a bit of fictional fun for Hollywood)

before you say it I already know that Ice Lord has been using my previous handle for black hat stuff.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Ok... let me explain this slowly and carefully.

This thread started out about the possibility that Silent Hunter 3 was successful because of Starforce. I knew we were in trouble at that point.

It took a grand total of 6 posts for the Starforce Jihadists to yank it completely off topic and begin the 9 gazillionth rehash of the same old same old.

Now we have accusations about Subsim moderators making threats, being called childish, and the ever popular "you prove it.. no you prove it".

If the discussion does not become civil and adult right now it goes bye-bye and then you will have to start a whole new Starforce thread!

Geeze... some days this is like Daycare, without the money!


JCC

John's right. Let's take this down a notch, ok guys?

[ThirteenthHouR]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Listen to this man. He knows of what he speaks.

I am rapidly posing my patience with this thread and a few of the people involved. I am also getting angry, which is something a moderator shouldn't do. But there you are.

So here it is for the last time.

If you have something new on this subject to post then by all means do.

Otherwise I strongly suggest that some people back off.

JCC

Dude its an honest question, you spoke as if you had some superiority on the matter, so SC asked you how old you are.

I am assuming you thought you where dealing with some little script kiddie trolls who did not know any better.

SC up until his retirement was a front man in Broadcasting. Personally my tech knowledge is such that Hollywood chose to use some of my handles in the most famous Fictional Hacking film of all time (Although to be more acurate its Cracking and phreaking, but what the hell its Hollywood, who has ever known them to read a dictionary)

So you get angry, who does it hurt?

It won't bother us, as we already own higher profile and larger forums than Subsim.

It will hurt the subsim users as they will not get the tech support that currently only we are supplying, heck even Starforce quote me on the fixes for their problems, http://www.star-force.com/forum/inde...624&#entry2624

I am not saying to silence Gizzmoe, just have word in his ear and point out that for the sake of this site that he needs to back off and stop inciting flame wars.

Personally I hope it was not him involved in the Death threats as he would be facing serious criminal charges, but with him being one of the few people that has SC's private Telephone number as well as being so openly anti SC, Its does make him suspect number 1.


If you don't believe me about his incitement take a step back and read this thread!




The comments elsewhere about thess forums and the Gizzmoe responses are unrepeatable here, the mildest one I have seen is "That guy just does not know when to STFU" although it was that presented in that more polite manner.

I am all for freedom of speech, but he really does cross the line, time and time again between being a good moderator and being a Troll.

If you want to ban me and kill this thread for me talking the truth (as I always do) then so be it......

As I said its not me who loses out.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sonarman

Read this story at least the dreaded Starforce has one thing going for it, it's tough to crack... story here

Our worst enemy may turn out to be an ally after all if the extra revenue has swung the decision on making SH4!

All rubbish. I have SHIII installed and it is not using Starforce. It is just marketing propoganda. The reason SHIII sold so well is because some suit decided to let the devlopment team do its job for once and produce a top notch game.

-S

PS. The type of people that buy this type of game typically don't pirate either.

[ThirteenthHouR]

A very good point subman, although as the factual figures show very few peeps actually do pirate anyway. (The real issue is the same as it has always been. 'Bootleggers', but they can't sell new legislation on the backs of that or justify extortionate prices)


However the type of peeps that are into simulations, do tend to respect the sort of work that has gone into a game like this.

To second that, SHIII is an excellent game. That is why it sold.

[VonHelsching]

IMHO, this thread has passed the limit where it will provide useful information to the readers.

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